Manville Possum

I did not have any luck with the BBB, so I filed a complaint with the Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3). Any help from anyone that feels that they have been a victim also will be appreciated. Just send me a PM with a name and contact, or may I suggest that you file a complaint also. Thank you.

Well, TnT Geocoins website has dissappeared, along with our cash. I am still waiting to hear from the BBB, they have sent a second notice to the business, as they did not respond to the first. I don't think the people at www.quilttrail.org (as the Follow the Quilt Trail geocoins bear this inscription on them) are very happy with Tracy either.

I WILL CALL...WHAT IS THEIR NUMBER? TnT Geocoins 304 Piney Ave Piney Flats, Tn. 37686 423-737-6351 Good luck, seems that the BBB here in North East Tennessee can't even reach them. Looks like I'm the only one that has a complaint filed against them. Listed on the TnT Geocoins web site is a link to Follow the Quilt Trail, this will put you in contact with the Appalachain RC&D council. Ask to speak with a Mr. Roy Settle, he is the coordinator for the Appalachain RC&D council and is able to contact Tracy of TnT Geocoins. Mr. Settle can be reached at 423-753-4441 ext. #4 or Roy.Settle@Tn.usda.gov He may be able to help us get our orders or a refund.

I WILL CALL...WHAT IS THEIR NUMBER? TnT Geocoins 304 Piney Ave Piney Flats, Tn. 37686 423-737-6351 Good luck, seems that the BBB here in North East Tennessee can't even reach them. Looks like I'm the only one that has a complaint filed against them.

Even better news, the seller went through with the adoption today.

I got a Maverick_65G and a Quad Cacher geocoin from a seller random_painting on eBay, the payments went to JSW Promotions. The Maverick_65G was advertised as not activated, but it was. I contacted the seller and they agreed to let me adopt it, which was no problem. I left them positive feedback before the adoption was complete, which they never went through with. I have tryed to reach the seller, but they will not communicate. The geocoin shows to be owned by a Team JSAM and was logged into Coinswag.com Portfollio/Geocoin Collection unpublished cache. I tryed to contact the owner, with no luck, their account is inactive. I was afraid it was stolen and contacted eBay & PayPal, they seem concerned and are checking into the seller, whose homepage is Coinswag.com The good news? I got the geocoin REAL cheap, and it seems that Coinswag.com is infamous. That has to mean something don't it?

Name of coins: Quilt Trail Nolichuckey Bend Cherry Hill Farm Masters Farm Appalachain Fair Allendale Name of vendor: TnT Geocoins Date ordered: Paid 02//10/09 Shipment date due: 02/09 Name: Manville P H Vendor has not or will not communicate.

Yes they did, and I am very sorry and understanding of that. However, they still operate on eBay useing a different seller name. I feel that if they can do this, at least they can communicate with us that have already paid for items and should keep us informed and updated on our purchases. Why not just offer us a refund. Seems that Tracy did at Geowoodstock in Tennessee according to a post on this forum. If they would communicate, as they can and do on eBay, investors such as myself may be interested in helping getting their business back up and operating. I have been looking into investing into the geocoin business, rather than just buying up and stocking geocoins that are already in production. It is very common that if a business is having trouble, let investors buy into it. At one time, T"n"T Geocoins was selling some very high quailty geocoins, but in sales, trust and reputation are everything.

They sold me a geocoin on eBay under the name of a different seller, but the payment still went to JSW Promotions that was advertised as not activated, but it was. The seller offered to let me return it or adopt it, I chose to adopt is as the shipping fee that I would lose was greater than the price paid for the geocoin, then they ended all communication. I did get an email from coinswag.com about an order that I never placed a few days ago after reporting the seller to eBay. I am still trying to get them to proceed with the adoption process. Use your own judgement when dealing with this company, but as for me I never will again. 1st time, shame on them, 2nd time shame on me rule applys here.

My daughter won (grand prize) a custom painted ammo can and a Tennessee Jed geocoin at a geoevent at Bay's Mtn. near Kingsport, Tn. Thank you Tennessee Jed for the donation and the adoption. You made a great impression on me, now I donate unactivated geocoins at geoevents that we attend, all because of the kindness that you showed me toward your fellow geocachers. Pay it forward.

Sorry, I posted it in the wrong place. Thanks for your help.

It seem's that me and alot of other people have paid for (02/09) geocoins from this company, then after they recieved payment they dissappered and will not communicate. Anyone else had this problem?

Yes, we all paid for items that have not been shipped and the company will not communicate. I have filed a complant with the BBB. I have also been in contact with Lindy Turner, coordinator of the RC&D council for the Clinch-Powell district. I am waiting to hear from a Roy Settle of the Appalachain RC&D council, which both groups are connected. The group is now considering commissioning AQT geocoins. I suggest contacting Lindy Turner @ www.vacationaqt.com and have her contact Roy Settle as I have been unable to reach him any other way. I hope that this edit is more correct WRITE SHOP ROBERT, I guess you have not been waiting for almost a year with no contact from the company while they still operate on eBay under a different name.

I have been hunting Morels for over 25 years, I started using a GPS unit to mark "patches" a few years ago before I heard about geocacheing. Sometimes I have someone drop me off on top of a moutain and hunt my way back to my truck. This year we had a bumper crop in SW Va./NE Tn. and according to my GPS the first ones that I found in mid-march were around 2000-2300 ft. in Popular groves on the north slopes. Seems that wild turkeys like them as well as I do. I dry the ones that I don't use fresh, they are great in stir-frys and on the grill.

I got your address and am sending my activated Americian Flag geocoin and some local cachers path tags and some of my personial SWAG. We support our troops. Good idea on the geoevent. Manville.

I keep a .45 in my cache bag and a .380 in my pocket, darn right I cache armed. I have had a CWP for more than 20 years and a FFL and am a member of the NRA, it ain't the four legged varmits that worry me around here.

Do the rest of us a favor, if your dog likes to "mark" the cache, keep him/her away from it. Only one cache I've found that my dog was going to mark, and no way would I let him. (I think it had been marked by the last dog) By the time the next cacher found the cache the mark would most likely be dry, but who wants to handle that anyway. I realize any cache we find put out in the wilderness, will not be the cleanest thing you can find, but we should do what we can to avoid adding our mess to it. I just wonder if you pick up after your dog when he/she poop's in the park, that is not pleasent or clean but I do it. Do you do what you can to keep our parks clean? I keep a pair of gloves and some C.I.T.O. bags with my SWAG just in case.

You may find this hard to belive or funny but it is true. My K-9 ( mini-wieney) can sniff out ammo cans and "marks" them when we find one. My dog is a gun dog and I think that he smells the ammo that was stored in the cans at one time because he don't sniff out or mark other type containers.

I have better luck with my PMO caches, so far none have been vandelized. I wish I could say the same for my other caches, I've had custom camo painted ammo cans stolen, someone traded one of my ammo cans for a tupperwear bowl, a newbie removed someone's trackables (never to be seen again) from my cache and just wrote obsene language in my log book but did not log the find. I also use PMO caches in places I want to keep the traffic low as not to disturb an area but I like "most" of my caches open to everyone.

Looks like both you and the cache owner did your homework. Your note would have been better served as an email to the owner. Noting that the finders are having an impact on the area is important information for the cache owner (and groundskeeper) to have. That way they can adjust the hide or archive it if needed. That said there is nothing whatsoever inherently disprespectful about a cache inside of a cemetary. Some cachers have mentioned having a cache on their market when they pass. Reality is we bring our own thoughts and ideas to the table. When I watched the movie "Australia" I was suprised to see a note for Aboriginies saying the names of the dead were mentioned. They explained it in the movie and I understood. Jews will place a stone on a grave as a sign of respect. That doesn't strike me as something I would do to be respectful. I'm more inclined to pause in thought, but both are respectful. Something to ask yourself. Where does the edge of the cemetary begin? I dont like stepping over someone if I know they are under ground. 2' over I don't mind. Thats my 'edge' and it has nothign to do with a fence. Our local cemetary has fenced off about 2 acres of open space for expansion. The fence is an artifical line that doens't have a lot to do with where sacred or respect starts. However in your case it does appear to be where your personal line starts. It would pay some dividends to search your soul and better understand why you feel the way you do. Then when you are out in the world where you may be passing near, over, or on top of where someone died and it was unmarked lost in the sands of time (like at your fishing hole) you can at least understand why it's ok that you are not paying your respects there, where you do when you know and why that's ok. I understand what you are saying. I was mostly concernd about the impact around the area. There is a real nice flag pole and stone seats near this cache that would be a great spot for a small cache, but now that I think about it I would say it is too close to the other cache in the wooded area or the cache placer would have chosen that spot. The cache placer is a very considerate person and would not disrecpect anyone on purpose. I have a better understanding on cemetary caches now thanks to all of the geocachers that shared their opinion with me, and as for the person that said that I'm just nuts? Well, I walk around in the woods wearing camo with a hiking stick, GPS and a camera. Sorry, but you did'nt get no cherry! Ya'll have fun now, ya hear? Thanks again for your opinions.

I know that some users are ignoring my cache placements and I think that is good. I also get to choose which caches I seek or not. I still seek some of their caches (depending on type and placement) and log my finds as "Thanks for the hide" . I know that I don't play well with others, and I did not start geocacheing to make new friends but I don't have to act like a geojerk because someone don't like me.

Thank you for trying to force your opinion on everyone. I'm glad you're not running the site. WOW! That was incredibly rude! OP asked opinions. Only opinions that agree with you are permitted! Sorry. It was the way you worded it. Just flat-out saying "They should be banned." That makes me think you want to take away something other people enjoy. Hind sight tells me that I should have not posted my opinion because it only upset someone and they will tell all their geobuddies what a big person they are because they "made" me delete my post. I don't care, they are not my friends anyway. I don't get mad easy but I can hardly wait until the caches that they placed in the park where I work come up for review, thats where my input does count. Seems they are not maintained very well, maybe someone else can have a chance to place a few caches, someone like my uncle. It's not a good idea to send a nasty email to someone that you don't know anything about. Their realailty check is in the mail along with my uncles new cache placement requests. Wow. I rescind my previous balanced and conciliatory posting. You're just nuts. Wow, so know you want to insult me with name calling? I was just having fun venting off because the other person does have three caches in the park and I was upset by their email suggesting that I delete my posted opinion. It shows their lack of respect for others, seems like the two of you have that incommon along with geocacheing. I do keep check on their caches and they are very well maintained. The naturalist here is not geocache friendly, he sees us geocachers as a bunch of distructive thugs stomping down the bushes and scareing the wildlife, he wants them placed at the edge of the trails so no one has to bushwack. The young man (newbie) that buried a cache on the property really upset him, I think that was the last straw. I do have an uncle, but he does not place geocaches. And as far as cache placements in Tennessee State Parks, there is a "freeze" in effect and the person that was in charge of granting permission has retaired and no one in Nashville even knows where to direct my calls about geocaching. Keep in mind that I am a geocacher that likes to place hides of different levels more than I enjoy finding caches. Sad but true, if geocachers would have used the guidelines and been less distructive the State of Tennessee would not have placed a "freeze" on any new cache placements in State Parks, and I really wanted to place an ammo can cache in the back country of our Park. And as far as me being a nut? Well I am a geocacher, Duh.......

Thank you for trying to force your opinion on everyone. I'm glad you're not running the site. WOW! That was incredibly rude! OP asked opinions. Only opinions that agree with you are permitted! Sorry. It was the way you worded it. Just flat-out saying "They should be banned." That makes me think you want to take away something other people enjoy. The person that suggested that I delete my post also stated that cemetary caches are banned in the state of Tennessee which is about ten miles from where I live at in the state of Virginia. I know for a fact that the state of Tennessee has a "hold" on any new cache placements in state parks because of people placeing caches without permission on park property. There is some paper work that you have to fill out first and then the cache placement is only good for six months then must be renewed or removed. I try to be a good geocacher and tread lightly but I also have saw the damage left from other geocachers that we all get blamed with. I don't want to see any cache types banned. I just never ran across a cache placement inside of a cemetary, usually they are along the fence or just info on the headstones. I made the mistake to assume that there were some kind of guide line or rule about placeing a cache inside a cemetary, it seems that the cache hiders were just being respectful, and I thank them for being so considerate. Hind sight tells me that I should have not posted my opinion because it only upset someone and they will tell all their geobuddies what a big person they are because they "made" me delete my post. I don't care, they are not my friends anyway. I don't get mad easy but I can hardly wait until the caches that they placed in the park where I work come up for review, thats where my input does count. Seems they are not maintained very well, maybe someone else can have a chance to place a few caches, someone like my uncle. It's not a good idea to send a nasty email to someone that you don't know anything about. Their realailty check is in the mail along with my uncles new cache placement requests.

I think it is a you say this I say that thing. Some people think of a cemetery as hallowed ground where no foot shall trod for reasons other than to mourn or pay respect to the dead. Others think of a cemetery as a gathering place where the opportunity to remember the dead keeps them "real", a place to bring life to. It's a very modern concept that cemeteries are sterile, solemn places. I think they are fascinating - they expose so much about the people who bury their families there. I learn about people's cultural history and customs, I see incredible creativity, I see imagination being used to express love and grief, and I see traditions that maybe even the people who bury there don't know about. I enjoy a cache at a cemetery - they take me to graves that I would never see otherwise. I get a chance to think about the people there, to imagine their lives, and to wonder about their deaths. I think of it like this - are you really dead and gone when people still think about you? Both opinions are valid - and should be respected. I don't think that anyone other than the cache owner should be asking you to remove a post. On the other hand, I don't know that your choice of posting that a cemetery is a "poor place" for a cache is really appropriate, either. If you were expressing "I choose not to do these" there shouldn't be a problem for anyone but it sounds like your post could have been taken as a bit judgmental or accusatory. I think that you are right. I was going to delete my post anyway, that's when I saw the email from the other person suggesting that I delete my post. I changed my post to something similar to what you suggested "that I choose not to do this type of cache" then the reviewer that posted the cache sent me an email explaining that the person who placed the cache had permission to do so and asked if that had been included on the cache page would it have made a differance. Then I deleted my post. I love old historic cemetarys and visit them often and take pictures of the headstones, I have a really nice photo collection of them. I like to walk in this cemetery and the trimmed shrub that the cache is in looked different, as if peolpe had been spreading it open to look inside of it. I'm O.K. with the cache being in the cemetary, I just think in the shrub behind the statue was not such a good place for a small hard to find cache. There is another cache in a wooded area that has been there for a long time. I love to place caches, but I will not place one in a cemetary.

A new cache just went active in our area (S.W. Virginia) and the driving dirictions showed it to be on the roadside near a public cemetary but when I got to the cache site it was inside the cemetary. (Placed with permission of the grounds keeper) I knew that the cache was hard to find according to other logs and the bush that it is in looked like it had been muggled. I thought it was inconsiderate and disrespectful to place a cache inside a cemetary so I did not attempt to find it but I did post a note stateing that I thought it was a poor place for a geocache. I have found/logged geocaches near cemetarys, along the fences & ect. but I don't know of any that are inside of a cemetary. Then I got some emails (not from the cache owner) suggesting that I delete my note, which I did. I would like to hear input from fellow geocachers on this matter, thanks.