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quote:Originally posted by Lazyboy & Mitey Mite: We thought maybe you'd understand the answers Of course I understand the answers that were given. Most of the answers given were just saying (in one way or another) I should ignore them. That's not an answer to my question. A simple yes or no would've been fine. I'm not going to write my question out again. I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything

quote:Originally posted by Lazyboy & Mitey Mite: We thought maybe you'd understand the answers Of course I understand the answers that were given. Most of the answers given were just saying (in one way or another) I should ignore them. That's not an answer to my question. A simple yes or no would've been fine. I'm not going to write my question out again. I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything

quote:Originally posted by ApK: It means that PayPal won't even have the little bit of competition from Billpoint (which eBay is shutting down) so there will be even less encouragement to keep customer service high and fees low. This will not be good for users in the long run. Yeah, eBay has to make back that $1.5 BILLION or so I heard they payed for PayPal. Hmmmm....I wonder if they used PayPal to pay for this transaction? I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything

Oregon Beaverton to be exact. I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything

You know what? Since nobody can quiet grasp the fact that I'm just asking a simple question, I guess I'll go back to hiding and just browse through the boards every once in awhile. It's a SIMPLE question. I just wanted to know if anyone else preferred the 'traditional' find the ammo box type caches over these ever growingly popular locationless or even virtual caches. You don't have to tell me 'other people may like them and they're popular so just ignore them' or whatever else you have to say, I'm not trying to banish them from Geocaching or anything. I just wanted to know if others I figured that this board was full of intelligent people (which I'm still sure it is) who would understand the question. I in no way said we were better cachers than anyone else or anything. I hate how some people can twist your words around to make it sound like you're being an @ss. I mean dang, we've only found like 40 caches, it's not like we're professionals or anything. For the FIFTH and FINAL time, this topic was not supposed to draw contreversy or anything, that's what the responders turned it into. I was just wondering who felt the same way about caching as I do (thanks to those who answered the actual question). I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything

You know what? Since nobody can quiet grasp the fact that I'm just asking a simple question, I guess I'll go back to hiding and just browse through the boards every once in awhile. It's a SIMPLE question. I just wanted to know if anyone else preferred the 'traditional' find the ammo box type caches over these ever growingly popular locationless or even virtual caches. You don't have to tell me 'other people may like them and they're popular so just ignore them' or whatever else you have to say, I'm not trying to banish them from Geocaching or anything. I just wanted to know if others I figured that this board was full of intelligent people (which I'm still sure it is) who would understand the question. I in no way said we were better cachers than anyone else or anything. I hate how some people can twist your words around to make it sound like you're being an @ss. I mean dang, we've only found like 40 caches, it's not like we're professionals or anything. For the FIFTH and FINAL time, this topic was not supposed to draw contreversy or anything, that's what the responders turned it into. I was just wondering who felt the same way about caching as I do (thanks to those who answered the actual question). I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything

quote:Originally posted by Lazyboy & Mitey Mite: Ok, who asked him? I didn't. Ummm...well, I guess I may have asked myself, but I was also replying to some of the other posts on the topic. If you actually read the topic before you posted that reply, you would've found out that this topic was about locationless caches (and others of the sort) and I was trying to see if anyone else felt the same way about them as me. Why even waste your time to write that reply? Are you proving a point of some sorts? No matter, I was just making conversation, sorry if I didn't get your permission first I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything

quote:Originally posted by Lazyboy & Mitey Mite: Ok, who asked him? I didn't. Ummm...well, I guess I may have asked myself, but I was also replying to some of the other posts on the topic. If you actually read the topic before you posted that reply, you would've found out that this topic was about locationless caches (and others of the sort) and I was trying to see if anyone else felt the same way about them as me. Why even waste your time to write that reply? Are you proving a point of some sorts? No matter, I was just making conversation, sorry if I didn't get your permission first I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything

quote:Originally posted by Fouts: I hide microcaches near historical markers for precisely the reason you suggest, but some markers are in locations where there simply are no good places to put caches nearby, not even microcaches -- which is why my first cache is a virtual multicache. If it's a virtual "multicache" why not just lead them to a final destination with clues from the first parts of it. Most multicaches span a wide area and pass by many places to hide at least a micro-cache quote:...Tastes vary, and you don't like the part of geocaching that involves the finder being the one to locate the object rather than the placer. That's OK, but just because it doesn't appeal to you doesn't mean it's not a good part of the hobby -- it definitely appeals to others. I never said they didn't appeal to others, for the FOURTH time, I was just wondering how many people out there feel the way about these caches as I do quote:I have three locationless caches, one virtual cache, three microcaches, and one regular cache -- and that's the order they get visited in, from most often to least. This is exactly my point. Of course the locationless caches are going to be the 'most visited' (even though you don't visit them) because they're usually pretty simple, drive around town and find this, take a picture, upload it to your computer. Virtual caches are the second easiest to find (hence being the second most visited) because you don't have to really find anything, just leads you to a place where you may have to find a number or answer to a question. And unfortunately, the 'regular' cache, which in my opinion are the best ones, are last on the list because too many people are placing these locationless and virtual caches nowadays, that a regular cache is getting more uncommon. quote:While the most noise in the forums seems to be against locationless and virtual caches, the most traffic seems to be to them, so they're pretty popular with the people finding caches, even if they're not popular with the people talking about them. Again, of course they're popular, they're usually drop dead simple (there ARE exceptions). I'm pretty sure that when we go on our vacation next month I could do a dozen or so of the locationless caches WITHOUT leaving my car and NOT HAVING TO FOLLOW MY GPS ANYWHERE! Which isn't really Geocaching if you ask me. I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything

quote:Originally posted by Fouts: I hide microcaches near historical markers for precisely the reason you suggest, but some markers are in locations where there simply are no good places to put caches nearby, not even microcaches -- which is why my first cache is a virtual multicache. If it's a virtual "multicache" why not just lead them to a final destination with clues from the first parts of it. Most multicaches span a wide area and pass by many places to hide at least a micro-cache quote:...Tastes vary, and you don't like the part of geocaching that involves the finder being the one to locate the object rather than the placer. That's OK, but just because it doesn't appeal to you doesn't mean it's not a good part of the hobby -- it definitely appeals to others. I never said they didn't appeal to others, for the FOURTH time, I was just wondering how many people out there feel the way about these caches as I do quote:I have three locationless caches, one virtual cache, three microcaches, and one regular cache -- and that's the order they get visited in, from most often to least. This is exactly my point. Of course the locationless caches are going to be the 'most visited' (even though you don't visit them) because they're usually pretty simple, drive around town and find this, take a picture, upload it to your computer. Virtual caches are the second easiest to find (hence being the second most visited) because you don't have to really find anything, just leads you to a place where you may have to find a number or answer to a question. And unfortunately, the 'regular' cache, which in my opinion are the best ones, are last on the list because too many people are placing these locationless and virtual caches nowadays, that a regular cache is getting more uncommon. quote:While the most noise in the forums seems to be against locationless and virtual caches, the most traffic seems to be to them, so they're pretty popular with the people finding caches, even if they're not popular with the people talking about them. Again, of course they're popular, they're usually drop dead simple (there ARE exceptions). I'm pretty sure that when we go on our vacation next month I could do a dozen or so of the locationless caches WITHOUT leaving my car and NOT HAVING TO FOLLOW MY GPS ANYWHERE! Which isn't really Geocaching if you ask me. I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything

quote:Originally posted by LarsThorwald: Don't you think? I mean, come on, you have to work pretty hard just to get a LIST of locationless caches! No, it's not that hard to get a list, you just click the button (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/nearest_cache.asp?LTYPE=12) Anyways, I wasn't expecting people to argue about this, I was just curious if there was other people out there who didn't really like all of the locationless, virtual caches. I mean, yeah, they may bring you to a nice area, but why not take the time to find somewhere around that area to hide a cache? That whole deal with the "historical marker" locationless cache is kind of what I'm talking about. That just doesn't seem to be Geocaching in my opinion. I can drive down Highway 101 and see dozens of those Historical markers, but that doesn't have to do with caching. Why not make it like the series of caches done by, ummm...Fractal I think, called the "Oregon History Lessons". He took the time to go and find somewhere near these History Markers to hide a cache, and after we found that, we went ahead and read about the place. I'm not telling anyone how to place thier caches or what they should like or not like, for the THIRD time, I was just curious to see if anyone else liked to just hunt for the caches with an actual container of some sorts at the end. There's no need to get all defensive or anything. I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything

quote:Originally posted by LarsThorwald: Don't you think? I mean, come on, you have to work pretty hard just to get a LIST of locationless caches! No, it's not that hard to get a list, you just click the button (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/nearest_cache.asp?LTYPE=12) Anyways, I wasn't expecting people to argue about this, I was just curious if there was other people out there who didn't really like all of the locationless, virtual caches. I mean, yeah, they may bring you to a nice area, but why not take the time to find somewhere around that area to hide a cache? That whole deal with the "historical marker" locationless cache is kind of what I'm talking about. That just doesn't seem to be Geocaching in my opinion. I can drive down Highway 101 and see dozens of those Historical markers, but that doesn't have to do with caching. Why not make it like the series of caches done by, ummm...Fractal I think, called the "Oregon History Lessons". He took the time to go and find somewhere near these History Markers to hide a cache, and after we found that, we went ahead and read about the place. I'm not telling anyone how to place thier caches or what they should like or not like, for the THIRD time, I was just curious to see if anyone else liked to just hunt for the caches with an actual container of some sorts at the end. There's no need to get all defensive or anything. I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything

quote:Originally posted by Rockdoctors: /QUOTE] Yup, thats they way I see it too. Choose your own adventure. Don't tell or suggest how people should design caches. Options are what makes all of this so fun. A virtual cache on a dock to get a clue, well I think its all about location. Maybe the dock is in a really interesting location. Who cares about the toys in the cache container under the dock! Look at the view. But if you like toys...... I guess some people don't understand where I'm coming from with this. It's not about the toys, it's about finding something (a sort of 'treasure') that people walk past everyday, sometimes right under there feet, but they don't know it's there, only a handful of people have found it and know it's there. I don't know, I was just wondering if there's anyone else that gets annoyed by the barrage of questionable caches that pop up whenever they're trying to find one. I don't tell people how to design them or which ones they should/shouldn't do, I was just wondering if anyone else just likes to actually go out and FIND something I guess. If you're just going to reply saying "just ignore them", then please, just ignore this topic and don't post. I do ignore them, I'm forced to ignore them. I just wish there wasn't so many of them and more of the well thought out, well hidden, more 'traditional' caches (a la Fractal style). I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything

quote:Originally posted by Rockdoctors: /QUOTE] Yup, thats they way I see it too. Choose your own adventure. Don't tell or suggest how people should design caches. Options are what makes all of this so fun. A virtual cache on a dock to get a clue, well I think its all about location. Maybe the dock is in a really interesting location. Who cares about the toys in the cache container under the dock! Look at the view. But if you like toys...... I guess some people don't understand where I'm coming from with this. It's not about the toys, it's about finding something (a sort of 'treasure') that people walk past everyday, sometimes right under there feet, but they don't know it's there, only a handful of people have found it and know it's there. I don't know, I was just wondering if there's anyone else that gets annoyed by the barrage of questionable caches that pop up whenever they're trying to find one. I don't tell people how to design them or which ones they should/shouldn't do, I was just wondering if anyone else just likes to actually go out and FIND something I guess. If you're just going to reply saying "just ignore them", then please, just ignore this topic and don't post. I do ignore them, I'm forced to ignore them. I just wish there wasn't so many of them and more of the well thought out, well hidden, more 'traditional' caches (a la Fractal style). I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything

quote:Originally posted by sbell111: Sounds like an argument for the 'ignore this cache' option. I like this idea. It would really help in my opinion. It would be like the "hide logs" button. You could just have a button that says "hide this cache from view" and if you wanted to see all the ones you skipped past before, you'd just click the "show all caches" button. I don't know, just a thought. I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything

quote:Originally posted by sbell111: Sounds like an argument for the 'ignore this cache' option. I like this idea. It would really help in my opinion. It would be like the "hide logs" button. You could just have a button that says "hide this cache from view" and if you wanted to see all the ones you skipped past before, you'd just click the "show all caches" button. I don't know, just a thought. I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything

quote:Originally posted by The Heavenly Host:...an example of one that made you go through the zoo and find the answer to 6 questions and then use the numbers to find an actual cache placed outside near the parking lot. I don't consider that a virtua cache. We LOVE puzzle caches and multi-stage caches as long as they lead us to something rewarding. Fractal's cached are some of the best, they are a real challenge, but if the final location was a virtua spot wherein we had to find 'the fifth word on the second line of the memorial plaque' (nothing to do with any of Fractal's caches) then they just wouldn't seem so satisfying. I think the best part about the Geocaching is finally spotting the cache container under a nearby tree stump, or when you're just about to give up and then you stumble upon the cache container right where you thought you looked 10 times already. We're definately not against the multi-stage caches, we even have two of our own (one's down currently, this one's really fun though: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=19253), but with both these multi-stage caches, we went and found an area to put the actual cache container (which is a real challenge sometimes). Like I did say before, we will do micro-caches, but they tend to just make us mad when we can't home in on them, but they're still fun. Locationless caches are rather stupid because we figure if the person doesn't take his time to find a nice place to hide the 'treasure', then why should we take our time to go out there and NOT find a treasure? True, some places may not have the best hiding locations, but heck, be original, you can usually find SOMEWHERE to hide SOMETHING. I've seen a cache where ALL you do is take a picture of one of those big letters above a city and have you GPS in it. How does that have anything to do with hunting something down using your GPS?? Those are the kinds of caches we don't like. I mean seriously, we PLACED a cache up on one of these letters (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=21387), why can't other people? There's no adventure in driving down the highway, seeing a letter on the side of a cliff/hill and taking a picture of it (whooo-hooo another hard fought find!!). I don't know, I just hope that people don't just start throwing up virtual/locationless caches just so they can so-called "place" a cache and forget about the actual 'hunt'. BTW: LOVE the Grateful GeoDead symbol, great work I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything

quote:Originally posted by The Heavenly Host:...an example of one that made you go through the zoo and find the answer to 6 questions and then use the numbers to find an actual cache placed outside near the parking lot. I don't consider that a virtua cache. We LOVE puzzle caches and multi-stage caches as long as they lead us to something rewarding. Fractal's cached are some of the best, they are a real challenge, but if the final location was a virtua spot wherein we had to find 'the fifth word on the second line of the memorial plaque' (nothing to do with any of Fractal's caches) then they just wouldn't seem so satisfying. I think the best part about the Geocaching is finally spotting the cache container under a nearby tree stump, or when you're just about to give up and then you stumble upon the cache container right where you thought you looked 10 times already. We're definately not against the multi-stage caches, we even have two of our own (one's down currently, this one's really fun though: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=19253), but with both these multi-stage caches, we went and found an area to put the actual cache container (which is a real challenge sometimes). Like I did say before, we will do micro-caches, but they tend to just make us mad when we can't home in on them, but they're still fun. Locationless caches are rather stupid because we figure if the person doesn't take his time to find a nice place to hide the 'treasure', then why should we take our time to go out there and NOT find a treasure? True, some places may not have the best hiding locations, but heck, be original, you can usually find SOMEWHERE to hide SOMETHING. I've seen a cache where ALL you do is take a picture of one of those big letters above a city and have you GPS in it. How does that have anything to do with hunting something down using your GPS?? Those are the kinds of caches we don't like. I mean seriously, we PLACED a cache up on one of these letters (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=21387), why can't other people? There's no adventure in driving down the highway, seeing a letter on the side of a cliff/hill and taking a picture of it (whooo-hooo another hard fought find!!). I don't know, I just hope that people don't just start throwing up virtual/locationless caches just so they can so-called "place" a cache and forget about the actual 'hunt'. BTW: LOVE the Grateful GeoDead symbol, great work I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything

I'd classify my girlfriend and I as very 'picky' cachers. We don't do virtual caches (only done one because we were going to the place anyways), we don't do the 'photo' caches, we don't do the 'find my car' type caches, we seldom do micro-caches. We like the sport because the challenge involved. Not only the challenge of finding actually finding a cache, but we also appreciate it when someone takes the time (and challenge) to actually find a place in the area to hide a cache container. Anyone can post up coordinates of their favorite park or stream, but those who take the time to actually find a good place to hide a 'treasure' in the area should be thanked (and we thank you ). I don't know how a lot of these caches are getting approved and I really don't like the list of "caches near you" being filled up with silly virtua caches or the likes. Think when you're placing a cache, what would YOU like to find? Would you rather go to an obscure out of the way boat dock and get the name of something off the sign, or would you rather go to the boat dock and have to look around for the waterproof cache container that was slyly inserted on a rafter underneath the dock? We prefer the later. Hopefully people will continue to place the 'traditional' caches and not the "find my car (no GPS requiered, look for a red _____)" type of caches. I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything

I'd classify my girlfriend and I as very 'picky' cachers. We don't do virtual caches (only done one because we were going to the place anyways), we don't do the 'photo' caches, we don't do the 'find my car' type caches, we seldom do micro-caches. We like the sport because the challenge involved. Not only the challenge of finding actually finding a cache, but we also appreciate it when someone takes the time (and challenge) to actually find a place in the area to hide a cache container. Anyone can post up coordinates of their favorite park or stream, but those who take the time to actually find a good place to hide a 'treasure' in the area should be thanked (and we thank you ). I don't know how a lot of these caches are getting approved and I really don't like the list of "caches near you" being filled up with silly virtua caches or the likes. Think when you're placing a cache, what would YOU like to find? Would you rather go to an obscure out of the way boat dock and get the name of something off the sign, or would you rather go to the boat dock and have to look around for the waterproof cache container that was slyly inserted on a rafter underneath the dock? We prefer the later. Hopefully people will continue to place the 'traditional' caches and not the "find my car (no GPS requiered, look for a red _____)" type of caches. I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything

Making your own cache is most of the fun, aside from the actual placement. Looks like someone in Blaine, WA is trying to make a few extra bucks off this sport to buy some batteries or something. The bright white on the side is rather, well, bright. Still, $9.99 isn't bad for a ammo box full of goodies. I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything

Well, we were planning on taking some down that way on our way to Honeyman park in Florence, but we can't get any campsites for the rest of summer. Stupid reservations, why can't people just go on spontanious trips anymore? Why does the campground have to reserve 400 of their 450 spots? There's no chance that we'll be able to snag one of the first come first serve spots because we'll be taking off Friday after work. So, I don't think we'll be headed down that way as we originally planned. I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything

The guys name doesn't sound like the same one, but a worker for "THPRD" has recently found the 'Where the Sidewalk Ends' cache in Deerfield Park. There was no note saying it needed to be removed, just signed his name and date with a THPRD next to it. This is a park that has yet to be developed, so maybe they don't mind the cache being there. I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything

The guys name doesn't sound like the same one, but a worker for "THPRD" has recently found the 'Where the Sidewalk Ends' cache in Deerfield Park. There was no note saying it needed to be removed, just signed his name and date with a THPRD next to it. This is a park that has yet to be developed, so maybe they don't mind the cache being there. I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything

We still have our Black Geocaching decal that we were able to snag from the "Low, Medium, High" cache (I'm pretty sure it was that one). Which was a good treat after all that driving around. Anyways, these decals are cool and it's really nice of you to make them. Maybe next time we head down towards Eugene, we'll drop one or two off in a cache down there. I think we might be headed that way next weekend, but we're not sure yet. I am the Rabbit King, I can do anything