mongoose39uk

Years since I have come in here and never had any intention of doing so ever again. Having slept on the new camping-event rule. Harsh and not required are my thoughts. See you in a couple or three years

Asked him and he said he didn't take it no reason to disbelieve him so that's the end of it for me. He doesn't like it others might.......

If you take it with the intention to permanently deprive its theft pure and simple. You could take it and return it to the owner and pay their petrol and time to replace it.

I am still waiting for the contact and return.

I agree, even as their competition I would say give them a chance. Maybe ring Kath and chat to her?

Phone calls to the GAGB come through to me, most are replied to within minutes, most have a positive outcome. Sorry, I didn't mean to infer that phone calls don't get dealt with at all. It seems that some do lead to a change in mind of the complainant, and I can accept that sometimes it's impossible to convince the landowner or police that no real harm has been done. Apologies. At least that gave you a chance to highlight this valuable service. No problem, most landowners are happy with an explanation of what is happening. Often it is not the cache itself that is the problem, cachers blocking access with their cars or night cachers not being careful where torches are shone and waking residents seem to be the major issues in the last few months. Having said that I do receive a lot less contact from landowners these days. Perhaps as they become more aware of the pass time they realise that there can be benefits to having people on their land for legitimate reasons.

Phone calls to the GAGB come through to me, most are replied to within minutes, most have a positive outcome.

It's not about whether the GAGB are at fault regarding how much Groundspeak respond to complaints. All I can say is from personal recent experience; I saw an issue regarding how camping events were being interpreted, I tried to raise them with the reviewers and got nowhere so I raised the issue here. The problem was picked up by the customer services and an active discussion was begun. The GAGB declined to engage with the matter. The end result was that the requirements were amended due to one individual asking the company and it's users to discuss it. Does Groundspeak actually have to listen to us that much? Ever tried to get Microsoft, Apple, McDonalds, etc to amend their company policy? This thread is to engage people to discuss the role of the GAGB. I can see the purpose of the GAGB historically but does that still hold true? The GAGB declined to raise the issue with Groundspeak did they, that's not what my personal communication log with you says.

Unfortunately unless the cacher in question or the police are willing to disclose this, everyone has their hands tied. The if one were to disclose and not the other could we truly take a balanced view?

If we are to have a gudeline then> Good input drsolly, I think houses needs to be changed to buildings though.

It's not just one concerned member of the public or just one police officer unfortunately. I hear the phone calls and see the emails that come into the GAGB, not all negative. I would much rather spend my time on something else as I am sure would most people.

Neil, sorry going to have to stop leg pulling for a bit, my beers getting warm and I will only be 23 once ( I had a hard paper round).

Personally, I have no problem with the GAGB apart from that the way things are made to feel. They do not, and will not, represent me. From the figures in this thread... The GAGB seems to represent 530 active members... If they're all full members... Which is a tiny percentage of cachers. Only 50 of those members voted... So the committee that claims to represent me, doesn't even represent it's own members really. Not blaming the current committee, but up here in the villages north of Luton, we saw the original committee (pre election #1 all those years ago) as a clique wishing to massage thier egos. After the election we had a token northerner on the committee (from the midlands) and still we didn't feel represented. The active uk cachers to active GAGB members ratio would have made Screaming Lord Sutch quit! It's also pretty obvious from the lack of active members that the vast majority of UK cachers either don't want a GAGB, or really couldn't care less. Cool I am off to massage my ego down the pub:-) If it does not matter to you why keep whittering Pub's a good idea! Once again with the newest issue, the tiny proportion of cachers, elected by another tiny proportion of cachers, can dictate to us all... or that's how it feels. So it DOES matter to me... and others. As one of the two token Northerners (why where we come from matters I have no idea)I can appreciate we do need to present things in a different way and manage changes better. Though please note we didn't make the announcement on this board. We are reviewing the guidelines and will be asking for community involvement. Though it will take a little time to expand on this, the real world need bills to be paid it kinda gets priority over massaging our egos. Of course it matters... it's not the Geocaching Association of Southern England. If there really are differences between caching in the UK and caching in the US... often cited as a reason for needing the GAGB in the first place, surely there are differences between one of my former home areas of Hampshire and the current one Derbyshire? The guidelines are pretty much irrelevant... I think it's 8 of the last 10 I've found now that don't comply... but I guess at least half of the placers have told their reviewer that they do. The HCC... sorry GAGB guidelines only affect those who read them, which isn't many. So a rewrite will have little effect. Soooooo, when we open it up for consultation encourage people to have input and then it may become more relevant. Fortunately the guideline isn't the only way we are trying to tackle it.

Personally, I have no problem with the GAGB apart from that the way things are made to feel. They do not, and will not, represent me. From the figures in this thread... The GAGB seems to represent 530 active members... If they're all full members... Which is a tiny percentage of cachers. Only 50 of those members voted... So the committee that claims to represent me, doesn't even represent it's own members really. Not blaming the current committee, but up here in the villages north of Luton, we saw the original committee (pre election #1 all those years ago) as a clique wishing to massage thier egos. After the election we had a token northerner on the committee (from the midlands) and still we didn't feel represented. The active uk cachers to active GAGB members ratio would have made Screaming Lord Sutch quit! It's also pretty obvious from the lack of active members that the vast majority of UK cachers either don't want a GAGB, or really couldn't care less. Cool I am off to massage my ego down the pub:-) If it does not matter to you why keep whittering Pub's a good idea! Once again with the newest issue, the tiny proportion of cachers, elected by another tiny proportion of cachers, can dictate to us all... or that's how it feels. So it DOES matter to me... and others. As one of the two token Northerners (why where we come from matters I have no idea)I can appreciate we do need to present things in a different way and manage changes better. Though please note we didn't make the announcement on this board. We are reviewing the guidelines and will be asking for community involvement. Though it will take a little time to expand on this, the real world need bills to be paid it kinda gets priority over massaging our egos.

Personally, I have no problem with the GAGB apart from that the way things are made to feel. They do not, and will not, represent me. From the figures in this thread... The GAGB seems to represent 530 active members... If they're all full members... Which is a tiny percentage of cachers. Only 50 of those members voted... So the committee that claims to represent me, doesn't even represent it's own members really. Not blaming the current committee, but up here in the villages north of Luton, we saw the original committee (pre election #1 all those years ago) as a clique wishing to massage thier egos. After the election we had a token northerner on the committee (from the midlands) and still we didn't feel represented. The active uk cachers to active GAGB members ratio would have made Screaming Lord Sutch quit! It's also pretty obvious from the lack of active members that the vast majority of UK cachers either don't want a GAGB, or really couldn't care less. Cool I am off to massage my ego down the pub:-) If it does not matter to you why keep whittering

I think Icenians meant that only 50 votes were cast in the election of the committee. If so it is hardly representative of UK caching as a whole. Not to say that it shouldn't be, the game probably needs an overall body to represent it to the public and authorities, whoever they may be. You may be right, he probably did. Even worse matey most years we don't even get enough people to hold a election

Cheers for the birthday message 50 and already grumpy Make that +1, although I'd looked at the forum a few times I hadn't bothered to sign-up. I have done so now. Love the magazine, that wasn't around last time I looked. Looks like the GAGB forums also tell you whos birthday it is... So a very Happy Birthday to you!!!

You are right a guideline will not stop this kind of thing happening. Not all listing sites would take any notice and then there are letterboxes. It does however give the police forces who have contacted the GAGB and the Groundspeak some reassurance that it is not just being ignored. There are other ways it is being dealt with as well. With luck once these are done there should be little impact on the pass time.

Guidelines, if reviewers decide to make them rules that is up to them. Threads: 3,106, Posts: 49,802, Users: 5,682, Active Users: 530 a tad more than 50. Membership is free and gets you a free monthly on-line magazine The Seeker and discounts at several retailers. Guidelines.............. well they are a work in progress. If you feel a guideline needs changing or a new one needs adding, just let us know. Open a thread and get a discussion going. You could even start a poll on the GAGB forum.

Posting as an individual not with my GAGB hat on, this needs more work! Again personal opinion, GAGB guidelines should be just that not rules. TBH the Groundspeak guidelines already cover the situation and other listing sites just do what they want to do anyway.

Not till July!

Wild guess.... I think you are called Paul, and I don't suspect that we've met? "Paul" is confirmed The location could be W Yorks, but that's a guess Need to ask him if he drinks real beer

Must have a peacock feather in his/her hat

I agree. If the OP's cache is the one I am thinking of I realised straight away from the page what I would be looking for even without said attribute. I would not be able to do the cache without begging or borrowing the required equipment, that's not really a problem there are many caches where specialist tools are required. The difficulty and terrain level of a cache indicate that it may take more than one trip and specialist equipment is required. Part of this is surely the persons ingenuity in obtaining the right equipment?

It seems to me it was intended for Megas only and would probably be more appropriate to keep it that way.