oakenwood
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It may come down to whether you have enough swag to fill multiple caches.
You could have the best of both worlds by placing multiple caches, each with partial coordinates to the final. That way, people can seek one, some, or all.
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Last summer, I got a Garmin hand-held as a hunting accessory. (Marking stands, finding car, not getting lost, etc.)
In the course of getting it set up and finding maps, I discovered geocaching. It sounded interesting, so I created an account and looked up my area. Caches all over!
I picked a nearby one and went. It was an average-difficulty ammo box in the woods. The search was just enough exertion and challenge to be fun. Then there's the feeling of actually finding it and exploring the contents. I was hooked.
Someday someone will do a psychological study on the appeal of geocaching. They'll say that it generates brain activity in certain lobes, it mimics the behaviors of our primitive ancestors, and it releases certain hormones.
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if you know exactly how many degrees above the horizon the WAAS satellites are at your location. (And you've been known to climb trees to bring them in.)
if your friends' houses are marked with waypoints.
if you named your children Nüvi and Dakota, and your dogs are Astro and Rino.
if you've integrated Bayesian Search Theory into your cache hunts.
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OK, I've been as guilty as anyone for taking this thread off track, so to get it back onto the old beaten trail, let's re-post the original thread:
I ran into an out of state cacher this summer that was puzzled by the term "geobeacon". It is a very common term here in Minnesota (and certainly western Wisconsin as well) but I was surprised to hear that it may be strictly a local term. It refers to an obvious hiding spot... generally large dead, hollow trees and that sort of thing. Is this term used in your area? If not, do you have another word that refers to a similar feature?
Oh, we call that a "non-decoy".
Just kidding. But in my private parlance, it's a "dead giveaway".
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My thought on a decoy.
Since it isn't a geocache and Groundspeak doesn't sanction decoys, and I can't find any activity described as "decoy hunting" with GPS or otherwise, a "decoy" is merely garbage left near a cache location and if someone practices CITO, cool. (not that I would ever interfere with a cache owner messing with someone for their own sadistic entertainment, mind you and CITO a decoy myself)
A pile of twigs and bark isn't CITO material, is it?
Maybe "red herring" is a better term. And I don't consider it any more sadistic than a puzzle cache. It's just a way of increasing the challenge.
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It was on the first page:
Never heard such a thing in Western NY or Southern Ontario. Yepper, I'd say you have a regional term on your hands there.
Funny, it's buried on like page 17 of the famous Rogue Reviewer thread, but I just noticed a highly regional term the other day, when a link to a similar "reviewer doesn't think it's there cache" was posted (it was in Indiana). There was all kinds of talk about "red herrings" near the cache. I'm like "what the heck are these people talking about?" It seems they were talking about decoy caches near the cache. Anyone I ever heard talk about decoys calls them, um, decoys.
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If you're in a valley, holding your GPSr over your head just might raise it enough to see a satellite low on the horizon, improving accuracy.
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Garmin eTrex Venture HC
Motorola i290
The second is a cell phone. I've used it for caching so it counts.
However, I definitely prefer the Garmin. The high-sensitivity chipset and WAAS lead me right to GZ, and its PC connectivity makes adding cache locations easy.
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Holy zombies! It's alive!
Might as well add mine:
Garmin eTrex Venture HC
Motorola i290
That last one is a GPS-enabled cell phone.
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Sometimes I see couches or matresses. I know why those are there.
No way I'm going to CITO those. Maybe with some help and a hazmat suit.
A rubber raft? To each their own, I suppose.
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Usually a GPSr is worth a first-born son, a running automobile, or a Star Trek boxed set.
Have you considered selling those items on Craig's List or Ebay, then using the cash to buy a GPSr?
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I'm hoping the Grounspeak powers-that-be change their minds about virtual caches, because places like that are perfect for virtuals, but not so much for "real" caches.
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I like the decoy idea. I might have to create a few of those around a future cache hide. However, I think cachers would be a lot less likely to replace decoys than actual cache covers.
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I've found that the Google Maps approach is pretty much only good for LPMs.
If you can find the cache because of really good hints, it's more like letterboxing than geocaching.
I've already posted how to find a cache with a cell phone, calculator, and compass.
Maybe I'll look into finding a cache with a sextant and chronometer. I wonder if anyone ever has...
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It sounds interesting. Maybe you could post the lowest times, either on the cache page or the app page.
I just hope it wouldn't cause people to do risky things like drive too fast.
Would it be possible for cachers to go back and improve their "lap time"?
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Oddly enough I was on a cruise last month from Sydney to LA. We crossed the equator and my Garmin accuracy was 8'. I asked the first officer about the ships GPS accuracy and he said about 3 meters (10'). I suspect he was not quite candid as I can not believe my little GPS is better than a commercial navigators.
Don't underestimate your little Garmin. Their high-sensitivity chipsets let them see more satellites for better accuracy. As others have pointed out, a ship's GPS doesn't have to be all that accurate. Even ten meters of error would still fall within the hull.
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You just created a puzzle perfect for the PROJECT WAYPOINT feature built into my GPS. And it's been done before.
How about if I give you the starting coordinates and then the latitude or longitude of the cache and the bearing to it? You have to figure out the point of intersection.
I've been following this thread, which focuses on distance calculations, so I think I'll try bearing instead.
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This should be made a sticky!!!!
Thanks for the response.
This is a method one can use any time you have two points and need to figure the distance and bearing between them.
I'm thinking about turning this concept into a puzzle cache, maybe by reversing the process. That is, I give you distance and bearing to the cache from some point where you couldn't walk to the cache (across a river, highway, or other barrier) and you would have to calculate the cache coordinates.
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1. Introduction & Equipment
Maybe you'd like to add some challenge to your caching. Maybe you'd like to try something new and learn a few things. Maybe you want to get into geocaching on a small budget. Many cell phones will give you GPS coordinates. You can buy a new GPS-enabled phone for under $40. You might even get someone's "old" phone for free. There are navigation and geocaching apps available for these phones, but here's how to do the calculations yourself and navigate to the cache with just a compass. If you have a "regular" GPSr, you can use it for the coordinates and compass and ignore the navigation features.
You'll need four things: 1) the phone or GPSr; 2) a scientific calculator; 3) a good compass; and 4) paper and pencil for calculations. Okay, that last one is actually two things. The good news is, you won't need a map. There's no rule against using one, however. The calculator must be able to perform square root and arccosine calculations. The arccosine button will have a label that look like "cos-1", or possibly "acos" or "arccos". It doesn't say "cosh". That's a different function. The compass should be the kind with an adjustable bezel. You can find these at sporting goods stores for about ten dollars.
The paper and pencil part is simple, but it helps if you have a form set up before you start. Here's a picture of the form I use. It has some reminders built in to help prevent mistakes, and a mini-map to help show what direction the cache is in. The top form is filled out; the destination is my now-archived puzzle cache "Randolph and Parklawn".
2. Before You Start
You need to get a couple of numbers before you start. If you're using a magnetic compass, you'll need to find your magnetic declination. If you are using a GPSr for your compass, you can ignore this, because it points to True North. To find your declination, go here and click on your location, or here and enter your coordinates. Round the result to the nearest degree. If the declination is west, you'll add it to your bearing. If it's east, you'll subtract it from your bearing.
You'll also need conversion factors to convert GPS coordinates to distances. The conversion factor for latitude is 1.855. It's the same everywhere. The conversion factor for longitude is not. Here's how you find it: take a GPS reading at your location. Go here and enter your coordinates as "source". (Carefully follow the formats they give you.) Enter the same coordinates as "destination", but add one minute to the longitude. Under "units for results", select km, and click "send query". The result is your conversion factor for longitude. If you stray more than 50 miles north or south, get a new conversion factor for that longitude.
3. Calculations
Now you can head out to the cache area. Pick a location to begin and get your coordinates. Subtract the starting coordinates from the destination coordinates and apply the conversion factors. A positive number for the latitude means the cache is north of you, and a positive longitude number means the cache is to your west. You can use the mini-map on the form to plot its general direction. It doesn't have to be exact. (See the example form in the picture.)
Now you can calculate the distance and bearing to the cache. First we'll do distance. It's pretty simple. Take each of the distances from the last paragraph and square them, then add the results together. Press the square root key, and there's your distance to the cache.
Calculating the bearing is only a little harder. Look at your mini-map. Draw a triangle like this: draw a line from the center of the map straight to the cache, then turn left and draw a line perpendicular to the axis it's headed towards, then when you reach the axis, turn left again and draw the line back to the center. Each side of the triangle has a name. The long side of the triangle is called the "hypotenuse". Its length is the distance to the cache, which you just calculated. The other two sides are called the "adjacent leg" and the "opposite leg". The adjacent leg is, naturally, the one adjacent to you.
To calculate your bearing, divide the length of the adjacent leg by the length of the hypotenuse (don't forget to press the equals key), then press the arccosine key. This number is called the "theta". It should be between 0 and 90. If it's outside this range, something's wrong.
Your adjacent leg will always point directly north, south, east, or west. Look at your mini-map and it'll show you. North equals 0, east equals 90, south equals 180, and west equals 270. To get your bearing to the cache, you add your theta to the adjacent leg. If you're using a magnetic compass, you'll apply the magnetic declination to this number.
I recommend practicing the calculations at home before heading out. A little mistake can send you way off course, and it's common to make mistakes at first. The good news is, if you make a mistake in the field, you can just get a fresh reading and do a new calculation. If you completely blow it, at least you have your GPS coordinates when you call for rescue. You also might begin with a trial run by going after a cache whose location you already know.
4. Getting to the cache
Plenty of websites are available that show you how to navigate using distance and bearing. I'll briefly cover it here.
Take your compass and turn the bezel until your bearing number lines up with the big arrow on the outside of the compass (the "direction-of-travel arrow" or "DOT arrow"). There's another arrow inside the bezel (the "orienting arrow"). Line up the north pole of the compass needle with the orienting arrow, and the DOT arrow will point to the cache. Be careful how you hold the compass; if your fingers are too close to the needle, they can affect its direction and lead you off-course.
Keep the needle lined up with the orienting arrow as you walk to the cache. It's rarely possible to follow a perfectly straight line to the cache, so you'll have to estimate how far off you've drifted and make an adjustment when you've walked the full distance.
You can estimate your distance by counting your strides as you walk. You just need to know how many strides you take for every hundred meters. (A stride equals two steps.) An easy way to find out is to go to a football field. The distance from one goal line to the back of the opposite end zone is about 100.5 meters. Start by stepping forward with your right foot and count each time your left foot lands. Walk along the sideline so you don't wander back and forth. Take a few counts and average them.
The terrain on the way to the cache will affect your stride count. Walking uphill or over rough terrain will shorten your stride and increase your stride count. Zig-zagging will also increase it. Walking downhill will lengthen your stride and reduce your stride count. With experience, you'll get a good idea of how much to adjust your stride count for terrain. For a beginner, the rule of thumb is to add ten percent.
5. Conclusion
I've simplified things, left out some minor details and mathematical terms, and tried to keep the language brief, clear and simple. Consider this to be "version 0.9 beta". I welcome any questions, comments, or advice. I'm eager to see what you all think. In particular, I'd like feedback from anyone using this method to find a cache.
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TheAlabamaRambler pointed out some of the benefits we see from DARPA projects. He's right on every point.
Sometimes it's hard to see the benefit of some of these projects until they become more fully developed. This one explores the use of social networking for gathering and reporting information over a large area.
A terrorist attack could be geographically spread out. 9-11 was. A project like this can help us improve our ability to respond to threats-- saving infrastructure, lives, economic damage, even our very way of life.
The 9-11 attacks are estimated to have done damage in the billions of dollars, not to mention the lives lost. I find it hard to begrudge DARPA a five-figure sum to help prevent another such attack.
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No, but I think I had a dream about caching. I remember being in the woods and finding a box that said something about "official gamepiece".
That's all I recall. When I started caching, I found a cache with the usual sticker on the side. I thought, "Hey, this is just like that dream."
Strange but true.
Most expensive swag or ftf prize
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I haven't found anything expensive, but sometimes I find useful things. A small flashlight and a space blanket come to mind.
The FTF prize for one of my caches was $10 and an unopened Sarah Brightman album. I got it as a Christmas hand-me-down. (It was given to somebody who already had a copy, so they gave it to me.) Since I'd never heard of her, I looked it up and decided it wasn't the sort of thing I'd listen to more than once, so I made swag out of it.