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If the owner has been gone that long, email your reviewer and inquire about it. If things are on the "ok" you might be able to take it over. This is yet another reason to bring it to the reviewers attention. Get it pulled and then YOU can place a cache back there and move on.

I will try and not be a smart a^$ in this. There are SEVERAL SOURCES to find puzzle's online. Here is one http://www.omniglot.com/ Google and Wiki are both great tools also. Posting a puzzle here won't get you anywhere. Puzzles are hard to solve and made that way for a reason. I've got 3 puzzles that I have been working on for 2 weeks now and made little progress. I'm not very good but I plug away. I find that most puzzle owners want them solved and a simple email will get you much farther along.

LMAO, this isn't a smart idea at all. I'm sure that if (IF) you got it published, there would be a few that would go after it. I'm also pretty sure you would have some liability with it too.

Read up. lol Way ahead of yah. Just call me old or blind, not sure which. Good to see, or should I say read.

At first I figured a flip ship, but now I see it washed away. Very interesting!

Those are nice. Why not use them as masters and make molds, then you can make more and more of them.... They are nice.

I've found a few nasty things in caches. A local cache had a slug in it, stunk good too. The best one, the dead skunk laying next to a cache. Oh the horror of that smell up close. Dead deer, large pile of horse crap fresh, nearly stepped on that. A few things, especially if you cache in the country side.

Well there are only so many cachers that are really interested in puzzle caches. I work on them as time permits and right now I have 2 solved waiting for the chance to go grab them when I can. I have 3 more that the wife and I are working on. Was talking with a fellow cacher yesterday as he is a "prolific puzzle maker" and even he stated he was thinking about archiving a few of his puzzle caches because a couple have gone close to a year now without being found. I don't think its a sign of things, I just believe there are a select or small group that go after them in each area. Once you have found them, you slow down the amount of people that come for them. Or exactly what you are seeing. My opinion.

I've seen it for logs that have been moved also. But yes, someone used it for a cache that had been muggled and was replaced.

Each area is different. Here its accepted that City Parks, Cemeteries, Public Wildlife lands are open game, but everything else is a call or permit. Local DNR requires permits, private lands require permission, as to commercial properties. Sure there are those that willingly place a cache in commercial property, but its iffy. State parks like I said, here they require a permit. local landmarks are ok if they don't have buildings around them. If you have local cachers, just ask them. Look around and email local cache owners. Simply ask them. If you see a park, then email the cache owners there. They can tell you what they had to do. If they say "I just placed it" then email another cache owner in that park. You will be surprised if you email local cachers.

YCS.... = "Your Cache SUCKS" let them figure out what it really means!

My my, we struck a nerve that will not allow for a discussion allowing for opposing views. Please understand, we see this all the time. A new cacher comes in and feels the system can't possibly be working since they just joined and they can better evaluate the needs of a system in two months that took over 8 years to evolve to this point. You are not even close to finding a fraction of the caches in your area. How can you possibly already see a problem? Set aside the fact that if you do go and read this thread, as well as the one or two other ones that have been brought up, you will see the majority of cachers active in the forum, as well as at least one or two of the moderators, are against auto-archiving for many valid reasons. Those that are not active on the forum do not care enough about it to visit here and state their views. So go ahead and take your personal shots at me and anyone else trying to reason with you (might want to read the forum guidelines) and get yourself all frustrated. The rest of us are going to go caching. Who is new? How do you know I am new??? LMAO, this is the family account. Nice try, but its a tired argument. I've been around long enough to see how this is heading. No, I don't want to argue. You came in VERY late to the game, didn't bother to read the entire thread and jumped in with your opinion and jumped my case because I was one of the last posters. Sorry it doesn't work that way.

I've never heard it phrased quite like that. The term I'm most familiar with is 'pinched a loaf' but I guess 'pinched a log' works, too. I was thinking the same thing. or something like "I was looking for the cache but had to stop and pinch off a log! TNLSomething!"

If there are too many muggles, I just move on and look later. I try and not jeopardize a cache. Stealth, what is it really? You try and act like no one can see you, or what you are doing and everyone notices you!

Not responding because you obviously haven't read any of the threads on this and just jumped in. I have read each thread. I've already answered the question along with 2 other posters. Do us all a favor and stop trolling on a thread you don't want to read. Or reread all the threads and debate them. You obviously haven't as its already been answered.

Wimsey, that isn't what this has turned to be. Its turned into a idea of pulling caches that have issues and absent owners. It wouldn't pull a good cache that is currently owned, or that is being watched over. It would deal with AWOL cache owners, those that haven't been kept up and those that have multiple DNF's and no one checking it. The idea needs much review I agree with that, but some just jump it without much thought. Its an idea, that is how things happen, and idea, tweaking, then reality.

Thanks for showing us that you haven't read the entire posting. You obviously took one post and ran with it. Nice to see, because YOU MISSED THE WHOLE POINT. What if one is disabled and can't "Go out, see some new areas. Experience the world." as you say...? Did you read the correction that have been suggested about Auto Expiring caches? Obviously you haven't and missed the ideas that have been suggested. No one is saying that just because the 2 years are up that a cache just get pulled, but you have made the nice ASSUMPTION that it would be the case. If a owner goes AWOL, and the cache is no longer maintained, and its not adopted, then the cache would be set aside and taken care of. This would allow a cacher to place a new cache in the general 528' that was previously taken. Our reviewer has slowly been looking after many caches, but when the owner is gone and you post need maintained logs or SBA's and it doesn't get taken care of........what then? If the current system worked as well as some claimed then perhaps, but it doesn't, not around here.

So according to you Baalo, I can walk into a field or woods and place a cache in Indiana? According to your logic I can. but you are wrong. There are many cache owners that have pulled caches due to DNR requirements now. I personally don't live within an area that has a DNR property so it doesn't concern me. Like I said, there are only a handful of spots we can legally place a cache without issue. Cemeteries, city parks and open lands (wildlife areas). In most cases those have been taken up and are well used. The case of .1 mile doesn't make much room in some parks. A creative fun cache isn't a guardrail find along a state road, nor is it a sign cache of a 35mm film can at a stop sign! Each spot is different and it shows in the placement of caches. Doesn't take much to see that! Some live in areas that allow more. Western states for example. But hey, if you hate some idea you will find any way to rail on it, as so many have. I find it funny that when the Op mentioned this mostly older cachers have railed and jumped on the anti change bandwagon. but hey, that is how it is. Oh well. Cache on.!

I'm a hider. I like finding, but I like hiding more. I like finding unique spots that most wouldn't think to place a cache in. I'm really starting to get into the whole "EVIL" hide side of things. I've got 2 truly EVIL hides, out now. And NO, its not a MICRO, but it is smaller then an Ammo box..LOL Its just a sport we do now as a part time hobby...so its fun to do both.

The majority says? Where does it "say"? You only see a small cross section on this forum and only those that seem to really care. Like I said and you seem to be leaping over every time, the system can be tweaked. I don't believe all caches should be archived. The system can be worked on. Stop using your "opinion" as fact. As to you saying "but creates great big global problems". I ask HOW? A system that keeps the game fresh from cache owners that no longer care for their caches and have moved on from the sport. They call that Geojunk once its just left to rot. This isn't just a small problem. The same issue you jump on my back about seems to be the same one you have. I'm not saying the proposed method was the best option, it needs tweaked, you have to start somewhere and this is what was being brought out. I traded emails with a buddy that is into caching on the east coast. I forwarded him this discussion, he says they have the same problem in that part of the country. He said he liked the idea, but it needed some tweaking. Talking with a fellow cacher just an hour ago, he agreed that something would need to be done sooner rather then later and the current method didn't work. When I told him about the expiring cache idea further he said he thought it was a great idea. But he is also a responsible cache owner who usually pulls his caches after he feels they have gone their course. I believe if you took a larger cross sample from the hobby (unlike this small forum) you will see that more people like the idea. Personally, I don't mind my caches expiring, if I can keep them going, which has been mentioned. You can keep them up. What I have made mention to in lack of places to hide caches will become more the norm as time progresses. No need to lick wounds as you say.

Uh, well there are many things I could use as a weapon. I think this may be one of them......

Mule Ears, I believe the Op just started this thread as a "starting point" and "idea generator" to get the ball rolling so to speak. They put their idea out there. I don't think they intended this to be a "final" plan, but some on here read into it being that. Its a nice starting point, I like the idea mentioned above. Its a nice plan, I'm sure it can be tweaked further to make it work. Caches won't survive forever, creating new caches keeps the hobby going. Not all areas have unlimited hiding spots and not everyone will or can travel 100 miles or more to cache! Its just an idea, an opinion, and nice to hear new ideas! Whether or not its good or bad.

There aren't any connections between the 2 you mention though! Seeing someone laying on the roadside is one thing, seeing someone that might not and I say that broadly, might not have really logged a cache, that is just trivial. I'm not going to pass someone by on the street. Comparing that to a cache that we can't be certain that was followed to a Tee, come on please. If the owner has set rules, then obviously they will be checking on the cache. Worrying about a cache isn't the same thing as a person laying roadside.

You have to have an idea, a starting point. That starting point isn't the final answer, its built upon, added to, subtracted from, changed and moved. If we go by what you are constantly saying totem, then Geocaching would be just the same as it was day 1. Sorry, but life isn't that way and Geocaching hasn't stayed the same. Ideas are brought forward, people tweak them and then they are used as guidelines. Without thought, there isn't much point in it. Is there?

Did I say that? NO. If you would think a tad bit outside the box, you would see what some are saying. So according to your comment, your willing to damage a system for a few states? This "few states" as you call it is a growing segment of states, but you would know that wouldn't you?