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I agree this site seems to have the most going for it. Even so, I think cross-listing provides a cheap insurance policy to prevent abuse from TPTB. As well, what do we do after some disgruntled cacher blows up GC headquarters? Note: I have not done any cross-listing myself... yet.

"... I just think that a cache in France shouldn't be written exclusively in German." I believe the proper forum for this issue lies with the French Government. I'm sure you will find sympathetic ears in those halls where Apple is being forced to allow non-proprietary content on their proprietary systems (Ipods).

That's all I've ever had and it's worked for me. I'm not a rich, fast adopter of new technology. For instance, my computer is 10 years old, I'm on Windows 95 and happy. Admittedly, I plan to upgrade both this year, but I said that last year too...

Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

In other words - NOT!

Every cache I don't care for gets a simple "Found It." log.

Well... I woke up about 4pm (late riser) on Jan 7 this year after having a terrible nightmare of some team of hikers beating me out to "Triple Dog Dare You" GCR5PH, so I figured I just had to get up there right away - after all, it's just a 1/5, shouldn't be too tough. After a leisurely breakfast and a drive over there it was 7pm. Not much daylight left, but shoot, it's only rated 1 for difficulty, eh? It took about 2 hours to get up there to the ridgeline of the Koolaus, lucky I had my flashlight 'cause it's pretty steep up there. I find the cache and log in just as my flashlight died. Yikes! How will I get down? I started back as best I could by the dim light of the distant housing area (the sky was cloudy, no stars). Well, needless to say I slipped off the edge and fell 376 feet to my death. At least I got the FTF!

Sounds like a "getting started" topic...

I find it RATHER cut and dried. Every cache placed without any sort of permission fails to have adequate permission. Land managers with no policy on geocaching HAVE policies on littering, trespassing, unlawful storage, loitering, squatting and/or other such activities, which adequately covers geocaching as well. How can NO permission equal adequate permission?

Okay, you're almost there. There is no assumption of explicit permission - only 'adequate' (meaning absolutely nothing in particular) permission. Each reviewer abides by his own conscience, with help from the others when requested. The impression I have developed is that generally 'adequate permission' equates to 'no actual permission' for almost every cache (excepting my own). For the record - I am not a reviewer.

Again, 'adequate' permission is ASSUMED to have been obtained by virtue of submitting the cache for review. It's called the 'HONOR' system. Some 'get it', some don't. I have SBAed a number of 'approved' caches that were "obviously" on military property (without any permission whatsoever, of course) where I wasn't the 1st or 2nd or 3rd finder, but WAS the first (and only) to SBA. Certainly private property with public access is no more clear-cut than posted, guarded and active military property, eh?

I've placed a mystery multi-cache for which the 1st location may be determined through thematic meditation, but I don't think we have many geocaching practitioners... no finds yet.

Here it is [the bottom line] - GC.com don't give a horse's arse about placements. They aren't responsible. Any placement whatsoever is kosher, until someone (a reviewer, a seeker, a finder, a property manager, etc.) complains. Then, if the complainer is recognized, lip service to the effect of "Oops, sorry about that!" is provided. As an example, I notified a reviewer of a cache being placed on U.S. government property with "No Trespassing" signs posted. The location was a former military installation, which is in the process of being transferred to the state (this transfer has been occuring piecemeal since 1999, due to the usual problems associated with government entities). The signs were placed just prior to the 'announced transfer' and supercede previous military signs, "Authorized Pesonnel Only". Action taken - none.

The meditation method - lightly scan a 30' radius around GZ, find a nice spot to sit, close your eyes and ask for the mojo... where is the mojo...?

An update: I haven't heard from anyone having found any part of this cache yet. The $20 prize is for non-locals not planning to visit soon, since a pure gold bullion prize is offered for the first to find the hides in sequential order. Here's a big hint - there's not much advantage (if any) for locals in determining the first location. Thanks for the interest in this cache.

Well, there have been attempts both physical and mental, but since 'DNF = Loser' no DNFs have remained posted. I have tried to clarify in the listing that searching is useless until the first hide location is determined. Also, additional (nebulous) hints have been posted on our local bulletin board, though I'm not sure how helpful they may prove [see http://www.hawaiithreads.com/forumdisplay.php?t=6792]. I am officially reinstating the $20 reward for first to e-mail me with the location and/or coordinates of the first hide. This cache was to be the first (and easiest?) of a series of similar 'intuitive thinking' caches, but apparently one man's easy...

Sounds good to me. Also, a second 'Found It' log can be appropriate when a cache has been significantly moved/altered. A cache in my area once was a micro, was stolen, then replaced with a regular some miles away. I haven't found the replacement yet (DNF after 'Found It', darn!), but if I do, that's a new find for me!

To answer your question, the forums are for ganging up on the 'little guy,' packing him in snow and rolling him down the hill (for fun).

Just the possibility of spelunking the reviewer notes has caused me to withdraw my $20 offer for the first to e-mail me with the location of the first hide for my cache, "Nereus' Nickname". Can/will anyone 'verify' this type of pre-find?

My ideal is 50 to 1, but I'm currently running behind by 1 hide (I also count 'adopted' caches as hides).

Okay, so if I don't get an e-mail, my invisible warning meter hasn't been bumped?

A soup container for a cache? I'd applaud and direct him to some other shabby caches! {Or not}

Logging online can save (or initiate) an owner's maintenance trip for rarely visited caches, even just a "Found It/DNF" or e-mail does the trick. Anything else is frosting.

Yes, you can ask. Otherwise, no.

AS per the guidelines: By submitting a cache listing, you assure us that you have adequate permission to hide your cache in the selected location. It says nothing about permission for private property only. I realize most caches have no permission whatsoever - often gc.com endorses these caches even after the lack of permission is pointed out. So apparently, this requirement is lip-service only. If caches are permitted by policy, that's permission. If there is no policy, that is not permission and something more must be sought. Most non-policy areas lump caches into abandoned property or trash categories - they are not permitted, it's that simple. If gc.com (and hiders) were to abide by this rule prior to being contacted by land managers, it would alleviate this entire issue.