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  1. quote:
    Originally posted by DutchBoy:

    I recently read a post by Jeremy where he is going to put the confirmation code word as a password on the cache site. The person will only be able to log the find if he knows the password. Nothing need be done by the cache owner. I think this will be an improvement.


     

    Can you please point me to this post? I really like this idea. A code word printed on the inside lid of every actual cache, or obtained from clues at a virtual cache site, that must be entered on the log-a-cache-page in order to post a "found it" entry.

     

    Regards,

    Tedoca

  2. quote:
    Originally posted by DutchBoy:

    I recently read a post by Jeremy where he is going to put the confirmation code word as a password on the cache site. The person will only be able to log the find if he knows the password. Nothing need be done by the cache owner. I think this will be an improvement.


     

    Can you please point me to this post? I really like this idea. A code word printed on the inside lid of every actual cache, or obtained from clues at a virtual cache site, that must be entered on the log-a-cache-page in order to post a "found it" entry.

     

    Regards,

    Tedoca

  3. quote:
    Originally posted by james f weisbeck kd7mxi terra utah:

    frs-1 cb-19 146.520mhz for calling icon_rolleyes.gif

     

    after contact move to another channell icon_biggrin.gif

     


     

     

    Sorry, I just don't see the logic behind using the National simplex calling frequency on 2-meters or CB channel 19 for geocaching activity.

     

    First, 99.99% of folks monitoring these frequencies are going to be non-geocachers.

     

    Second, and more importantly, if two geocachers establish contact and then move to another frequency/channel, they are then no longer on the original frequency/channel (unless you set your rig up to monitor both frequencies/channels, which, IMHO, just complicates the whole process far beyond what is necessary)... so that when another cacher comes along there's nobody on the original frequency/channel 'cause you've moved to another one and now they have no idea where you're at.

     

    Why not just suggest a frequency or channel that is seldom used in your area in the body of the cache description page? That way everyone hunting a given cache starts out on, and stays on the same frequency. If there are several caches in the area contact the owners of those caches and ask them to include the suggested frequency or channel number in their cache descriptions as well.

     

    Regards,

    Tedoca

  4. quote:
    Originally posted by james f weisbeck kd7mxi terra utah:

    frs-1 cb-19 146.520mhz for calling icon_rolleyes.gif

     

    after contact move to another channell icon_biggrin.gif

     


     

     

    Sorry, I just don't see the logic behind using the National simplex calling frequency on 2-meters or CB channel 19 for geocaching activity.

     

    First, 99.99% of folks monitoring these frequencies are going to be non-geocachers.

     

    Second, and more importantly, if two geocachers establish contact and then move to another frequency/channel, they are then no longer on the original frequency/channel (unless you set your rig up to monitor both frequencies/channels, which, IMHO, just complicates the whole process far beyond what is necessary)... so that when another cacher comes along there's nobody on the original frequency/channel 'cause you've moved to another one and now they have no idea where you're at.

     

    Why not just suggest a frequency or channel that is seldom used in your area in the body of the cache description page? That way everyone hunting a given cache starts out on, and stays on the same frequency. If there are several caches in the area contact the owners of those caches and ask them to include the suggested frequency or channel number in their cache descriptions as well.

     

    Regards,

    Tedoca

  5. I gave this some thought after reading the other post on this topic, here's what I came up with...

     

    Whatever channel or frequencies are chosen they should NOT be the main call channel or hailing frequency for that band. (i.e. 2-meter 146.52 Mhz) Those frequencies are designated for initiating contact with another operator. Once contact is established proper procedure dictates that the parties then move to another, un-used frequency to continue their conversation, thereby freeing up the hailing frequency for use by others wishing, or in the case of an emergency, needing to establish contact.

     

    Additionally, other frequencies are often designated as hailing/simplex frequencies in particular geographic regions making the adoption of a National Geocaching Frequency difficult at best.

     

    The same encumbrances hinder the adoption of a Nationwide Citizens Band channel. IMHO, channel 19 would have to be out of the picture completely. Historically, although not officially I believe, channel 19 is for highway/automobile/trucker use. That channel is so crowded in most metropolitan areas it's nearly impossible to carry on any sort of conversation with anyone more that a few hundred yards away for anything more than a minute or two without getting stepped on or trash-mouthed by some yocal with a hopped-up radio, an echo box, and an ego as big as his antenna! CB Channel 9 is also out as it IS the designated emergency frequency for that band and should not be used for casual conversation. Local CB clubs also often adopt specific channels in their area for hailing/monitoring so, again, the adoption of a Nationwide Geocaching CB Channel is impractical as well.

     

    FRS (Family Radio Service) may offer some possibilities for the adoption of a Nationwide Geocaching Channel/PL combination, although again, in any given area there could be conflicts.

     

    That said, my opinion would be to leave the suggestion of a recommended channel or frequency up to the cache hider and indicated on the cache page. i.e. "talk-in on 147.42 Mhz or FRS Channel 5/5 or CB channel 7".

     

    To carry the idea to the next level, a local ham in a given area who has identified, and possibly used specific frequencies on their own caches, could then contact other cache owners in the area and ask them to include the list of suggested frequencies on their cache pages as well, leading to the adoption of appropriate frequencies/channels in a given area for those who wish to utilize them.

     

    I would love to be able to hop out of the truck, dial in a frequency or channel, and hail any other cachers that may be in the area or hunting the same caches. It would add a new dimension to the game, increase the "fun quotient," and offer an opportunity to more easily meet my fellow players. For all the reasons stated above I just think the best way to approach this is from a local level.

     

    I have a cache planned for deployment this Spring and am now considering listing some suggested channels/frequencies on the cache page to see how it goes. It wouuld be great to read a log entry about some cachers who hooked up on the air and worked together to solve/find a multi-leg cache... Hmmm, now I'm starting to get some more ideas!!! icon_cool.gif

     

    Regards,

    Tedoca

  6. I gave this some thought after reading the other post on this topic, here's what I came up with...

     

    Whatever channel or frequencies are chosen they should NOT be the main call channel or hailing frequency for that band. (i.e. 2-meter 146.52 Mhz) Those frequencies are designated for initiating contact with another operator. Once contact is established proper procedure dictates that the parties then move to another, un-used frequency to continue their conversation, thereby freeing up the hailing frequency for use by others wishing, or in the case of an emergency, needing to establish contact.

     

    Additionally, other frequencies are often designated as hailing/simplex frequencies in particular geographic regions making the adoption of a National Geocaching Frequency difficult at best.

     

    The same encumbrances hinder the adoption of a Nationwide Citizens Band channel. IMHO, channel 19 would have to be out of the picture completely. Historically, although not officially I believe, channel 19 is for highway/automobile/trucker use. That channel is so crowded in most metropolitan areas it's nearly impossible to carry on any sort of conversation with anyone more that a few hundred yards away for anything more than a minute or two without getting stepped on or trash-mouthed by some yocal with a hopped-up radio, an echo box, and an ego as big as his antenna! CB Channel 9 is also out as it IS the designated emergency frequency for that band and should not be used for casual conversation. Local CB clubs also often adopt specific channels in their area for hailing/monitoring so, again, the adoption of a Nationwide Geocaching CB Channel is impractical as well.

     

    FRS (Family Radio Service) may offer some possibilities for the adoption of a Nationwide Geocaching Channel/PL combination, although again, in any given area there could be conflicts.

     

    That said, my opinion would be to leave the suggestion of a recommended channel or frequency up to the cache hider and indicated on the cache page. i.e. "talk-in on 147.42 Mhz or FRS Channel 5/5 or CB channel 7".

     

    To carry the idea to the next level, a local ham in a given area who has identified, and possibly used specific frequencies on their own caches, could then contact other cache owners in the area and ask them to include the list of suggested frequencies on their cache pages as well, leading to the adoption of appropriate frequencies/channels in a given area for those who wish to utilize them.

     

    I would love to be able to hop out of the truck, dial in a frequency or channel, and hail any other cachers that may be in the area or hunting the same caches. It would add a new dimension to the game, increase the "fun quotient," and offer an opportunity to more easily meet my fellow players. For all the reasons stated above I just think the best way to approach this is from a local level.

     

    I have a cache planned for deployment this Spring and am now considering listing some suggested channels/frequencies on the cache page to see how it goes. It wouuld be great to read a log entry about some cachers who hooked up on the air and worked together to solve/find a multi-leg cache... Hmmm, now I'm starting to get some more ideas!!! icon_cool.gif

     

    Regards,

    Tedoca

  7. I like the new email notification format that includes the cache name and the cacher's name. I also like being able to read the text of the log entry as well (saves me from having to click on the link to the cache page), BUT, can it be set up so that an encrypted log entry maintains it's encryption in the email notification?

     

    I know, I know, someone will say "if you don't want to see it, then don't read it" but it's just too easy to accidentally pick out a key word or phrase that may give something away for a cache I have not yet found.

     

    Alternatively, a warning could be posted at the begining which stated...

     

    WARNING: Cache log was originally encrypted!

     

    Idealy, a user could configure their email notifications so that, for example, email notifications for caches they have not found maintain their encryption, while email notifications for caches they have found come through unencrypted.

     

    At the very least, if the email notification can't be set up to maintain encryption then I would just as soon see the log entry text removed.

     

    BTW, thanks for this new forum category!

     

    Regards,

    Tedoca

  8. quote:
    Originally posted by Jeremy Irish:

     

    ... I also think it would be neat to have the ability to group folks. I'll think on that for a while.

     

    Jeremy


     

    Yes! There are times when it would be great for two (or more) individual cacher's to have the option of posting one log that counted as a find for each. Seperate logs are fine too, but it would be nice to have this as an option.

     

    Regards,

    Tedoca

  9. Sunny and warm here in Maryland today as I'm sure it is in Virginia too. Time to get the cachemobile washed, waxed, and ready to go for the (predicted) great weather this weekend!

     

    Regards,

    Tedoca

  10. To date, only one person has asked me what I was doing while geocaching and my response was to lie... but there's a story behind that, read on.

     

    Some time ago my wife and I popped in on a neighbor friend of ours. Her mother told us she wasn't home but was baby-sitting across the street. We went across the street, knocked on the door, and were greeted and invited in by our friend. After sitting down at the kitchen table to visit for awhile, the two young brothers our friend was baby-sitting eyed my wife and I wearily.

     

    "Just what are you doing here?" the older brother inquired of us with a deadpan serious stare. Then, turning to his younger sibling he said with equal seriousness, "I don't know Jimmy, there's strangers in our house, what do you suppose we should do about it?"

     

    The younger Jimmy pondered his brother's question for only a moment and then, in a cadenced monotone voice, while slowly rising from his seat, he said... "I think we should kill them, I'll go get a knife."

     

    Needless to say, my wife and I left immediately and have never returned to that particular residence. It was the creepiest thing I've ever heard a five year old say.

     

    Getting back to your question... not too long after this event, as I sat upon a log perusing the contents of a cache I had just discovered, a mother, father, and son trio passed by on the nearby trail. When, in the same sort of creepy monotone voice, and eyeing me suspisously, the young lad asked... "Just what are you doing over there?", I lied. "Taking pictures" I said, and I held up my camera.

     

    I also had one other rather strange encounter at another cache. This time there was no place to sit and I was standing next to the cache location which was right along side the trail. A woman hiking the trail stopped and engaged me in a conversation. I made no attempt to conceal my actions and just stood there, cache container in hand, and proceded to peruse the cache, make my trade, write in the logbook, close the container back up, etc.... I waited til she was gone to replace the container in it's hiding spot, but not once during the entire time we stood there talking out in the middle of the woods did she ask me what the heck I was doing.

     

    I once met up with a fellow in the woods of a local State park who was lost and trying to locate a group of co-worker's at one of the group picnic shelters which I knew were located at the opposite end of the park. I was geocaching and had parked near the picnic shelters so I pulled out my GPS, did a quick 'go-to' back to where I had parked, consulted my compass, pointed off in the distance and said he needed to go 1.2 miles in THAT direction.

     

    Well, he had one of those woefully inadequate park maps in hand and was convinced he needed to go in the opposite direction, the direction I was headed in. He tagged along with me even though I assured him he was just getting farther and farther away from his intended destination. After a while we came upon an obvious landmark that was identified on his map and he decided that perhaps I really did know where I was going.

     

    Now totaly confused and disoriented, this gentleman asked if I would be kind enough to escort him to the picnic shelters, he even offered to pay me! I told him that I would be happy to guide him to his destination, but that I would not accept payment for it and that first I had to "find something."

     

    So, in the end he got his introduction to geocaching though it was not the result of a single question but rather a series of events that led to the discussion.

     

    Whew! That sure turned out to be a long post. icon_smile.gif

     

    Regards,

    Tedoca

  11. To date, only one person has asked me what I was doing while geocaching and my response was to lie... but there's a story behind that, read on.

     

    Some time ago my wife and I popped in on a neighbor friend of ours. Her mother told us she wasn't home but was baby-sitting across the street. We went across the street, knocked on the door, and were greeted and invited in by our friend. After sitting down at the kitchen table to visit for awhile, the two young brothers our friend was baby-sitting eyed my wife and I wearily.

     

    "Just what are you doing here?" the older brother inquired of us with a deadpan serious stare. Then, turning to his younger sibling he said with equal seriousness, "I don't know Jimmy, there's strangers in our house, what do you suppose we should do about it?"

     

    The younger Jimmy pondered his brother's question for only a moment and then, in a cadenced monotone voice, while slowly rising from his seat, he said... "I think we should kill them, I'll go get a knife."

     

    Needless to say, my wife and I left immediately and have never returned to that particular residence. It was the creepiest thing I've ever heard a five year old say.

     

    Getting back to your question... not too long after this event, as I sat upon a log perusing the contents of a cache I had just discovered, a mother, father, and son trio passed by on the nearby trail. When, in the same sort of creepy monotone voice, and eyeing me suspisously, the young lad asked... "Just what are you doing over there?", I lied. "Taking pictures" I said, and I held up my camera.

     

    I also had one other rather strange encounter at another cache. This time there was no place to sit and I was standing next to the cache location which was right along side the trail. A woman hiking the trail stopped and engaged me in a conversation. I made no attempt to conceal my actions and just stood there, cache container in hand, and proceded to peruse the cache, make my trade, write in the logbook, close the container back up, etc.... I waited til she was gone to replace the container in it's hiding spot, but not once during the entire time we stood there talking out in the middle of the woods did she ask me what the heck I was doing.

     

    I once met up with a fellow in the woods of a local State park who was lost and trying to locate a group of co-worker's at one of the group picnic shelters which I knew were located at the opposite end of the park. I was geocaching and had parked near the picnic shelters so I pulled out my GPS, did a quick 'go-to' back to where I had parked, consulted my compass, pointed off in the distance and said he needed to go 1.2 miles in THAT direction.

     

    Well, he had one of those woefully inadequate park maps in hand and was convinced he needed to go in the opposite direction, the direction I was headed in. He tagged along with me even though I assured him he was just getting farther and farther away from his intended destination. After a while we came upon an obvious landmark that was identified on his map and he decided that perhaps I really did know where I was going.

     

    Now totaly confused and disoriented, this gentleman asked if I would be kind enough to escort him to the picnic shelters, he even offered to pay me! I told him that I would be happy to guide him to his destination, but that I would not accept payment for it and that first I had to "find something."

     

    So, in the end he got his introduction to geocaching though it was not the result of a single question but rather a series of events that led to the discussion.

     

    Whew! That sure turned out to be a long post. icon_smile.gif

     

    Regards,

    Tedoca

  12. Hiya Notags,

     

    Looks to me like another newbie mix-up with the travel bugs. Some folks just aren't sure what to do with these things.

     

    However, in this case the folks who grabbed it did at least know something about travel bugs i.e. they're supposed to travel. Odd though, they didn't log the cache they found it in and then did log the cache they left him near as their first find even though they never actually found the cache. It would also seem that they didn't even know the Iceland cache existed until after they left the travel bug!

     

    For the life of me I can't fathom how one could be able to locate/find geocaches, and at least have a basic understanding of the concept behind geocaching and travel bugs, and then just carelessly leave him laying in a bus stop half way 'round the world.

     

    Go figure? I think it would be safe to say that it'll be a miracle if Lord Baltimore ever shows up again.

     

    Not that it would do any good, but have you considered emailing lorax184? They should probably at least be made aware of their faux pas lest they repeat the mistake again.

     

    See this thread for ideas on idiot-proofing any future TB's you may be planning on placing.

     

    Regards,

    Tedoca

  13. Well said Markwell... and thanks to you as well for all of your input to the forums and your efforts as our unofficial forum historian.

     

    It was about nine months ago when I made my very first "newbie" post to the forums and you were among the first of those who responded with welcoming words and advice.

     

    Happy anniversary and here's to another great year!

     

    Regards,

    Tedoca

  14. Well said Markwell... and thanks to you as well for all of your input to the forums and your efforts as our unofficial forum historian.

     

    It was about nine months ago when I made my very first "newbie" post to the forums and you were among the first of those who responded with welcoming words and advice.

     

    Happy anniversary and here's to another great year!

     

    Regards,

    Tedoca

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