Arcticabn

Final tally 1135 sold. I placed an order yesterday 5 January for 1200 coins. Expected production time is 14 to 21 working days (3 to 4 weeks). As soon as I get the shipment I'll post another note and let you know that they have arrived. I will still need to sort them, package them and then get them in the mail to you all and I will keep you as informed as I can here. Thank you all for your support. You have made this coin a much greater sucess then we had every anticipated. Thanks again. Arctic

Coin Sales to Date: 1096 as of 2400 hrs CST 25 Dec 05 Updates will be made as often as possible. Date Time Name Quantity 12/13/2005 19:56:15 chris L 2 12/13/2005 22:44:24 Gregory G 3 12/14/2005 4:21:18 Julia M 1 12/14/2005 4:45:36 Mary M 2 12/14/2005 4:48:17 Kenneth H 2 12/14/2005 7:29:46 James P 5 12/14/2005 11:59:02 Michael W 6 12/15/2005 16:47:28 Michael R 2 12/15/2005 17:18:39 Michael C 1 12/15/2005 20:29:34 George S 1 12/16/2005 11:08:42 Russell F 3 12/16/2005 11:32:21 Stephen P 5 12/16/2005 18:03:24 Lisa G 5 12/16/2005 20:29:35 The Pez Zone 6 12/16/2005 21:00:50 Justin W 3 12/17/2005 16:14:36 John S 1 12/17/2005 18:28:21 Scott E 5 12/18/2005 3:54:42 Mark Felton 1 12/20/2005 20:37:19 George Crabb 6 12/22/2005 0:47:45 Philip Bailey 3 12/22/2005 12:38:57 Joel Dick 3 12/22/2005 13:41:52 W Frederick 14 12/23/2005 22:04:52 Paula R 1 12/23/2005 22:49:12 Michael S. J 3 12/23/2005 23:23:06 Michael S 1 12/24/2005 5:19:56 Michael K 2 12/24/2005 6:28:34 Barry H 5 12/24/2005 6:36:03 Laura K 2 12/24/2005 7:08:45 Ryan R 1 12/24/2005 7:51:50 david p 2 12/25/2005 22:40:14 Renee V 6 OK gang we are getting close. Sales end this coming weekend. I'll be placing the minting order next week. I still expect to make the mid February shipping date to you all. We appreciate all of your orders. Thanks

Part of what I find funny is that the original post was discussing whether the MnGCA should look at regional groups or chapters. I don't do see anywhere in the post where their was an intent by the poster to suggest that the MnGCA break up into seperate organization. Yet that is exactly what this thread digressed to. I stated it before but it is worth repeating. The MnGCA has never said it represents all geocachers in Minnesota. We the MnGCA do currently represent our membership. We have never tried to stop another organization from forming, rf for that matter tried to break up another existing organization. In reference to the DNR policy. The original policy of the DNR for State Parks was 'No Geocaching". They were contacted a couple of years ago and they stated that they were working on an updated policy that they expected to be released in 2004. I was not released until August 2005. It took them nearly two years to produce a published policy. During the two year period we maintained a low key contact with the DNR and waited as they continued to tell us that they were working on the policy. However, as you read it you will see that it only alloed for virtual caches and with the changes at GC.com the policy has already become outdated and unusable from a GC.com perspective. However, there are other caching sites out there that still allow virtuals and this policy would still apply to those gaming websites. If you read paragraph 1.3 Participant Input it allows for the organization to make contact again with the DNR in order to discuss geocaching needs and update them on the GC.com poliicies on geocaching. DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCE DIVISION OF PARKS AND RECREATION August 1, 2005 Subject: Minnesota State Park Earth-caching and Virtual-caching Guidelines Policy Number: 32 Effective Date: September 1, 2005 Key Words: Cache, Geocaching, Earthcaching, GPS, Global Positioning, Stash Hunt, Virtual-caching, letterboxing. ____________________________________________________________________________________ 1.0 INTRODUCTIONS & BACKGROUND 1.1 Purpose To provide a framework for the management of geocaching (earth or virtual only) in Minnesota State Parks, so it is done in a manner that provides for the safety of all users, minimizes conflicts with other users and ensures the protection of the natural and cultural resources. These guidelines are intended to acknowledge the use of certain areas within the state park system as permissible for geocaching so that the park's natural and cultural resources are not being irrevocably altered, and to establish a permitting system for their use. 1.2 Policy Statement Section 86A.05 subd. 2c of Minnesota Statutes states that outdoor recreation activities, which will not cause material disturbance to the natural features of the park or introduce undue artificiality into the natural scene may be permitted. The geocaching policy for Minnesota State Parks is based on the understanding that, 1) Geocachers have expressed an interest in pursuing this activity in state parks, 2) Certain types of geocaching fit within the statutory framework and rules of recreational activities that may be permitted, and 3) Minnesota State Parks, will be required to develop guidelines to manage this activity and its impact on park resources and other park users. 1.3 Participant Input Minnesota State Parks will periodically seek input from interested individuals on geocaching issues, in order to identify needs of geocachers and stay current on changes in this recreational activity. 1.4 Information and Education Park management will work with the geocaching community to develop information and education materials, which foster an environmentally friendly geocaching ethic for MN State Parks. Information kiosks or bulletin boards may be used to provide a communication link between geocachers and park management. All materials to be posted in a state park or state recreation area must be approved by park management. 1.5 Definitions Cache Traditional cache: A waterproof container with a logbook. The containers vary from plastic see-through types to camouflage painted surplus military ammunition cans. Rules prevent these from being placed in lands administered by the Division of Parks & Recreation. Virtual cache: A GPS coordinate that refers to a location, such as a scenic overlook, historic site, geologic feature, etc. No logbook or container with items is used. Earth cache: An Earthcache is a virtual cache which people can visit to learn about a unique geoscience feature or aspect of our Earth. Earthcaches include a set of educational notes and the details about where to find the location (latitude and longitude). The educational notes and features of all earthcaches are reviewed by the Geological Society of America for accuracy before being posted on the internet. Geocaching Geocaching is a recreational activity involving the use of GPS (Global Positioning System) to locate “caches” whether virtual (a scenic overlook) or real (a container including a logbook.). Participants use information and location coordinates they look up on the Internet (www.geocaching.com) to find the caches. Virtual Caching Permit A document that when completed by an individual geocacher and approved by a state park manager allows the advertisement of a virtual cache at a specific location in a state park. GPS The Global Positioning System is a worldwide radio-navigation system formed from a constellation of 24 satellites and their ground stations. GPS uses these "man-made stars" as reference points to calculate positions accurate to a matter of meters. Letterboxing Letterboxing is an activity similar to geocaching. Waterproof containers are hidden at interesting spots and clues are written to help people find them. The clues may or may not include compass directions or GPS coordinates. When box is discovered, the person uses their personal rubber stamp to mark the enclosed logbook to document that they found it. Minnesota State Parks, MN State Parks A division of the MN Department of Natural Resources. Lands managed by MN State Parks that are covered under this policy include: State Parks, State Recreation Areas, and State Waysides. In this document, the word Park or Parks will be used to identify these lands. Organizational Virtual Caching Permit A permit for organizations or institutions, designed for a short-term sponsored event or an event held for educational purposes. Park Management (1) MN State Parks central office and regional administrative staff. (2) Central office, regional, and area resource management staff. (3) Individual park managers and assistant managers. 2.0 GEOCACHING GUIDELINES 2.1 Virtual Caches Only Allowed in MN State Parks a. Only virtual caches, and types of virtual caches, like earthcaches, are allowed on lands administered by MN State Parks. b. Any form of traditional cache or letterbox is prohibited under State Park Rules (6100.1650). Any traditional cache or letterbox that is found in a state park will be removed and the owner may be subject to citation and fine. 2.2 Individual Permits for Virtual Caching a. A person must first obtain approval and a permit for a virtual cache site on State Park lands from the park manager before the site can be advertised or posted on the web. b. Contact information for individual parks can be found at: http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/state_parks/index.html or by calling (651) 296-6157 (Metro area) or (888) MINN-DNR (elsewhere). c. Applications for virtual caching permits are available during regular business hours at a park office (or through the mail by writing the park office). d. After review and approval, permits will be available for pick-up at the park office or sent to the applicant via U.S. Mail. Permits are valid only for the park where issued. e. Individual virtual caching permits are valid for one year and expire one year from the date of issue. f. Virtual caching permits may be denied or may contain restrictions to avoid environmental damage, overuse, pre-emption of virtual caching areas, or displacement of other park users. g. No fee is charged for individual geocaching permits, however, all other regular state park fees, like vehicle permits, camping fees, etc remain in place. 2.3 Organizational Permits for Virtual Caching a. Organizational virtual cache permits are for institutions or organizations. Entities such as schools, universities, businesses, etc that would like to sponsor events or provide instruction for geocachers in MN State Parks must first obtain an organizational virtual caching permit. b. Organizational virtual cache permits are issued for a specific date or series of dates, and shall specify the location(s). c. Organizational permits may be denied or may contain restrictions or limitations to avoid environmental damage, overuse, or displacement of other park users. d. These permits may be allowed in addition to a park’s three-cache limit. e. Organizational virtual caching permittees are required to furnish a certificate of insurance valid for the effective dates of the permit, listing the State of Minnesota as a named insured. The amount of coverage shall be at least as much as the state's limits of liability under the Minnesota tort claims act, Minn. Stat. ' 3.736. As of January 2000, these limits are $300,000 per individual and $1,000,000 per incident. Warning and liability disclaimer. Virtual caching is a recreational activity with many participants of different physical abilities. The State of Minnesota does not rate virtual caching locations to determine their safety. 2.4 Virtual Cache Locations a. Approval of virtual cache sites will be based on visitor safety, resource protection, educational opportunities, compatibility with other uses, aesthetics, access, and other management goals. b. Virtual caches are not allowed in Scientific and Natural Areas, areas identified as restricted, picnic areas, play areas, golf courses, beaches, or campgrounds. c. No more than three virtual caches will be present in a park at a given time, and no one individual may have more than one virtual cache at a particular park. d. MN State Parks reserves the right to make a virtual cache unavailable if it is determined that overuse is a problem, a safety issue develops, or other circumstances arise which are deemed inconsistent with the mission and statutes of the MN State Park System. If such a situation arises, park staff will make every effort to coordinate these actions with the person responsible for the site. e. Individual virtual caching permits are valid for one year and expire one year from the date of issue. f. Access to caches will be subject to MN State Park Rules and Statutes including hours of operation, designated trail uses, maintenance standards and natural resources management activities. g. Virtual caches will generally be located within 40 feet of designated trails, or other areas which can be accessed safely by visitors and without material harm to the natural or cultural resources of the park. 2.5 Termination Clause If the conditions of the virtual caching permit are not met, the state may make the webpage for the virtual cache unavailable without prior notice. 3.0 POLICY CHANGES & APPLICABLE LAWS & STATUTES 3.1 Policy Changes A review of this policy will be conducted approximately one year after enactment. A group comprised of park management, resource specialists, members of the geocaching communityand other interested individuals will conduct the review. Policy revisions will be incorporated into a draft proposal and made accessible to interested individuals for comment prior to final implementation. Subsequent reviews will occur as needed. Comments on the policy may be submitted in writing to: Department of Natural Resources Minnesota State Parks Operations Manager 500 Lafayette Rd St Paul, MN 55155-4039 Alterations in policy, park closures to virtual caching, park specific virtual caching issues will be posted at the DNR website, www.dnr.state.mn.us and available by request from the Department of Natural Resources, Division of Parks and Recreation. 3.2 Applicable Laws, Statutes, and Rules 6100.0525 PENALTY. A person who violates any of parts 6100.0100 to 6100.2400 is guilty of a misdemeanor and subject to immediate removal from the state park or forest lands and to other appropriate legal action, including revocation of any permits issued. 6100.0500 DEFINITIONS. Special event. "Special event" means an event held in a state park or on forest lands that is not normally allowed, that causes significant environmental effects, or that is likely to attract large numbers of people that could disrupt normal use of the state park or forest lands. Special events include, but are not limited to, motorcycle, snowmobile, and sports car rallies, races, or enduros; orienteering trials; group campouts that do not occur at designated group camps; dog sled races; dog trials; and commercial uses. 6100.0650 RESTRICTED AREAS. It is unlawful to enter by any means a restricted area that has been posted to prohibit entrance. It is unlawful for a person to use a state park or forestlands facility that requires a special use permit or a fee, without first obtaining a permit or paying the fee. 6100.0900 ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION. Subpart 1. Generally. Unless otherwise provided by law, no person in a state park or forest recreation area shall disturb, destroy, injure, damage, deface, molest, or remove any state property, including, but not limited to, wildflowers or vegetation of any kind dead or alive, ruins, wild animals, geological formations, historical or archaeological artifacts or sites, historic structures, signs, or facilities, except edible fruit, mushrooms, legally taken wild animals, and vegetation unavoidably damaged or destroyed by the ordinary recreational uses of these areas as specifically permitted by parts to. Collections for scientific and educational purposes may be made only with the written permission of the commissioner. It is unlawful to damage vegetation or damage and deface rock formations with rock-climbing equipment. 6100.1650 STORAGE AND ABANDONMENT OF PERSONAL PROPERTY. Subpart 1. Obstruction of passage. No person shall leave standing, whether attended or unattended, a motor vehicle, trailer, boat, fish house, or other equipment or personal property so as to block, obstruct, or limit the use of a road, trail, waterway, water access, parking area, or winter sport facility. 3.2 Applicable Laws, Statutes, and Rules (continued) Subp. 2. Abandonment. No vehicle, trailer, boat, fish house, or other equipment or personal property may be stored or abandoned in a state park or on forest lands. In state parks, overnight parking and storage of equipment is permitted only in connection with the use of campsites or fish houses, except by prior approval of the park manager. The temporary storage of personal property by a person who remains in the immediate vicinity is permitted. In state forest campgrounds and forest day use areas, overnight parking is permitted in designated parking areas. Subp. 3. Disposal. A vehicle, trailer, boat, or other equipment or personal property left for a period longer than 14 days, except fish houses located on the ice surface of a body of water, shall be deemed abandoned and shall be transferred to the custody of the commissioner of administration for disposal in accordance with state law. (signed copy on file with Operations Coordinator) ___________________________ Courtland Nelson - Director Division of Parks and Recreation August 8, 2005 ___________________________ Date

I've already submitted. Team MnGCA all the way?

Coin Sales to Date: 1000 as of 2200 hrs CST 12 Dec 05 Updates will be made as often as possible. Date Time Name Quantity 12/6/2005 20:42:19 Chris F 1 12/7/2005 12:12:45 Dennis M 3 12/8/2005 7:07:35 Laurie M 2 12/8/2005 8:41:55 Brian W 10 12/8/2005 13:18:32 Linda M 5 12/10/2005 7:14:07 J Thomas A 3 12/10/2005 16:25:53 Kathy T 1 12/10/2005 16:34:42 David J 4 12/11/2005 13:25:17 Guy W 3 12/13/2005 12:20:25 Jackie L 1 12/13/2005 18:45:05 Angela M 5 12/13/2005 19:56:15 chris L 2

If the discussion is about the MnGCA proper, then I have to agree the discussion should be held on the MnGCA forum. It's up to the members of the MnGCA to discuss if they want chapters or not. As it currently stands there are only about 150 member in the MnGCA and over 4400 active cachers in the state. We don't state that we represent all of the cachers in the state. However we are the only organized and registered geocaching organization in the state. We have not nor ever tried to represent ourselves any differently. Now if the discussion is should there be other organizations in the state. Great. Let them organize and do their own thing. We maybe even able to help them out organization to organization.

Coin Sales to Date: 960 as of 2000 hrs CST 6 Dec 05 Updates will be made as often as possible. Date Time Name Quantity 12/5/2005 Bill N 5 12/4/2005 18:50:55 Jerry B 5 12/4/2005 19:22:46 Hobby-C 2 12/5/2005 4:57:36 william s 1 12/5/2005 8:58:05 Ken T 5 12/5/2005 9:18:15 John B 3 12/5/2005 11:08:18 Donald N 3 12/5/2005 11:10:13 Rick P 3 12/5/2005 11:55:08 robert b 1 12/6/2005 5:41:21 Ross B 2 12/6/2005 12:56:50 Peter K 5 12/6/2005 13:09:06 Ian G 3 12/6/2005 14:13:01 Carsten F 3 12/6/2005 15:13:09 Judith H 1

Coin Sales to Date: 918 as of 2000 hrs CST 5 Dec 05 Updates will be made as often as possible. Date Time Name Quantity 11/29/2005 13:38:49 Mike W 3 11/29/2005 17:03:21 James P 5 11/29/2005 18:53:32 Scott M 3 11/30/2005 4:46:01 Tyler A 5 11/30/2005 7:42:37 Aaron L 2 11/30/2005 12:19:08 Sarah C 2 12/1/2005 12:40:07 Erik L 2 12/1/2005 21:50:53 M H 2 12/2/2005 7:24:10 Beverley B 3 12/2/2005 9:35:00 Jennifer D 1 12/2/2005 9:55:55 Suzanne B 1 12/2/2005 13:40:12 Carl H 1 12/2/2005 15:27:29 Per N 2 12/2/2005 17:21:38 marvin v 4 12/2/2005 18:30:37 Dean M 2 12/3/2005 19:17:33 Terry R 3 12/3/2005 21:02:54 Scott H 2 12/4/2005 4:02:33 Brian M 3 12/4/2005 4:38:13 david m 2 12/4/2005 5:49:24 Julie N 2 12/4/2005 6:15:45 James S 2 12/4/2005 6:43:36 Jean P 2 12/4/2005 9:20:46 Arnold B 2 12/4/2005 12:59:12 Rita H 2 12/4/2005 16:46:45 Thomas G 1 12/4/2005 16:55:58 Larry R 3 12/4/2005 17:06:00 Ronald P 1 12/4/2005 17:49:29 GBA Coin Club 65

I'm sure that everyone has been waiting for the next step. Well here it is. The finalized vendor art work. The die has been authorized and we should have a high resolution picture of the coin to post in about 2 weeks. For now, heres the updated art.

Coin Sales to Date: 793 as of 1830 hrs CST 29 Nov 05 Updates will be made as often as possible. Date Time Name Quantity 11/25/2005 15:49:15 Ryan R 1 11/25/2005 16:24:32 CHARLES B 2 11/25/2005 19:52:26 Lance V 5 11/25/2005 20:18:56 JAMES A 2 11/25/2005 21:35:53 James C 20 11/26/2005 9:03:11 Dave H 1 11/26/2005 9:20:25 Audrey L 5 11/26/2005 12:18:55 Kathleen B 2 11/26/2005 12:47:47 Gentry C 1 11/26/2005 17:00:00 William S 1 11/26/2005 17:58:16 Craig G 3 11/27/2005 11:25:26 Stefan L 1 11/27/2005 15:48:20 Rebekah S 100 11/27/2005 17:59:22 Doug V 6 11/28/2005 5:18:47 Michael W 1 11/28/2005 19:08:31 Craig P 2 11/29/2005 10:56:44 Betsy P 1 11/29/2005 13:38:49 Mike W 3

Current Count Coin Sales to Date: 636 as of 0830 hrs CST 25 Nov 05 New orders since previous list. Date Time Name Quantity 11/20/2005 15:29:25 Lynda S 1 11/20/2005 16:13:28 Thomas H 4 11/20/2005 16:24:53 Cynthia M 1 11/20/2005 19:54:42 James A 4 11/20/2005 21:36:45 Carol G 1 11/21/2005 3:56:44 Jason H 5 11/21/2005 5:53:16 Timothy J 1 11/21/2005 7:44:16 David S 3 11/21/2005 9:32:56 Kent S 1 11/21/2005 10:53:41 Jeffrey W 1 11/21/2005 12:03:40 Andre V 2 11/21/2005 12:16:36 james o 2 11/21/2005 13:17:28 Patricia M 2 11/21/2005 13:32:56 Kent S 1 11/21/2005 16:15:55 Blue Yonder Girl 15 11/21/2005 17:06:01 James T 2 11/22/2005 17:06:01 Brian T 5 11/22/2005 17:06:01 Mark W 1 11/21/2005 22:21:34 Michael B 4 11/22/2005 1:34:50 Abby W 54 11/22/2005 10:30:21 Michael S 3 11/22/2005 13:32:48 Rowan F 2 11/22/2005 20:46:30 Richard N 2 11/22/2005 21:49:21 marvin v 4 11/24/2005 12:50:35 James A 5 11/25/2005 10:25:58 donald k 2

Splitting the order is not doable. I talked to our vendor and it would be considered two orders. If we placed the first order now and didn't get enough orders to make the price point for the second order we would loose money as it would cost us more to produce the second batch at a fewer number. I could ask you this? Since you knew the sales period, you could have waited until the end of December to commit your money to the order and then only had to wait about 2 months and then not had the same complaint right? Or would you have complained at 2 months also. I would have loved to have had the money to up front buy 500 coins and then sell them as you bought them. But what about the cacher that wanted our 501st coin. This way everyone that wants a coin will have ample opportunity to get an order placed. We don't have a point where we are sold out. If you place an order you will get a coin. As of tonight we are at 623 sold. I'll get an updated list posted later this evening. And yes, I'll start posting only difference lists to keep the forum length down. Thanks for the idea. Arctic

All if you haven't caught it. I did mean to say that I am sure that the board will be seeking input from MnGCA Members on various topics in the future.

Guess I'm going to have to keep doing this since it won't let me go back an edit the original. Coin Sales to Date: 508 as of 1700 hrs CST 20 Nov 05 Updates will be made as often as possible. Date Time Name Quantity 11/14/2005 14:27:36 Nicole D 1 11/15/2005 16:30:22 Chad T 5 11/15/2005 17:12:06 Tony R 5 11/15/2005 17:57:54 Ruth L 2 11/15/2005 18:25:16 John E 6 11/15/2005 18:26:34 Matthew W 1 11/15/2005 18:51:05 Loran W 2 11/15/2005 18:51:57 Marianne R3 11/15/2005 18:54:42 Michael S 2 11/15/2005 18:57:34 DON J, H 2 11/15/2005 18:57:34 Melissa B 2 11/15/2005 18:57:45 Daniel L 4 11/15/2005 18:57:59 West Tennessee3 11/15/2005 18:59:09 James B 5 11/15/2005 18:59:22 David M 2 11/15/2005 19:00:59 Michael G 4 11/15/2005 19:04:40 Jim P 2 11/15/2005 19:04:52 Jeff J 4 11/15/2005 19:05:23 Stevem M 4 11/15/2005 19:07:37 julia j 1 11/15/2005 19:07:48 mark d 2 11/15/2005 19:08:30 Michael J 3 11/15/2005 19:09:42 Jason R 15 11/15/2005 19:11:58 John E 2 11/15/2005 19:16:51 Robert H 1 11/15/2005 19:21:44 Daniel W 1 11/15/2005 19:21:56 Emily S 2 11/15/2005 19:23:08 Neil M 1 11/15/2005 19:25:48 steven g 2 11/15/2005 19:28:19 Sandra F 4 11/15/2005 19:30:16 Vince S 1 11/15/2005 19:30:55 Gabriel R 2 11/15/2005 19:31:37 Carlene B 2 11/15/2005 19:33:28 Peter M 1 11/15/2005 19:36:16 James H 5 11/15/2005 19:36:27 Mike O 2 11/15/2005 19:38:21 kevin n 2 11/15/2005 19:39:21 Larry O 5 11/15/2005 19:42:21 Daryll S 3 11/15/2005 19:46:10 Tom L 2 11/15/2005 19:48:58 Jeffrey L 6 11/15/2005 19:49:54 michael H 1 11/15/2005 19:56:10 John G 2 11/15/2005 19:59:17 John D 3 11/15/2005 20:02:43 Bryan Q 1 11/15/2005 20:06:19 Wesley S 2 11/15/2005 20:06:42 Eric Z 6 11/15/2005 20:06:47 Laura C 2 11/15/2005 20:15:45 chuck h 4 11/15/2005 20:23:43 Lane V 2 11/15/2005 20:24:03 Craig W 1 11/15/2005 20:28:37 Bill B 2 11/15/2005 20:29:18 Barbara B 1 11/15/2005 20:30:43 Robert M 2 11/15/2005 20:30:52 Ross S 2 11/15/2005 20:34:26 Tim V 1 11/15/2005 20:38:23 Thomas B 2 11/15/2005 20:40:25 steven o 2 11/15/2005 21:02:20 RAYMOND C2 11/15/2005 21:08:52 Ellen B 19 11/15/2005 21:12:17 DENNIS K 1 11/15/2005 21:12:30 Bill B 27 11/15/2005 21:15:09 Chris B 2 11/15/2005 21:19:06 Sara C 3 11/15/2005 21:26:43 Kimberly S 2 11/15/2005 21:34:04 Robert B 3 11/15/2005 21:53:47 David M 2 11/15/2005 21:59:45 Gary S 3 11/15/2005 22:00:40 Chris G 4 11/15/2005 22:25:15 Audrey L 3 11/15/2005 22:28:48 ronald c 2 11/15/2005 22:31:53 Mark B 1 11/15/2005 22:42:37 Manuela S 1 11/15/2005 23:12:29 Daryl W 2 11/16/2005 0:22:54 Paul A 1 11/16/2005 0:36:26 David K 3 11/16/2005 0:36:32 Wolf-Dieter B2 11/16/2005 0:38:20 Holger W 3 11/16/2005 0:39:04 roy s 3 11/16/2005 2:00:01 Matthew M 3 11/16/2005 2:50:06 Charles K 6 11/16/2005 3:16:16 Kevin S 2 11/16/2005 3:22:55 TSB Sales 4 11/16/2005 3:23:53 David M 5 11/16/2005 3:33:46 Michael D 1 11/16/2005 3:33:50 Erin W 2 11/16/2005 3:39:50 Lenore D 1 11/16/2005 3:40:43 Paul C 3 11/16/2005 4:32:45 Thomas L 2 11/16/2005 4:49:12 Kevin S 1 11/16/2005 5:00:03 Marcus T 2 11/16/2005 5:04:09 dale e 2 11/16/2005 5:06:53 JAMES D 3 11/16/2005 5:11:00 Angela L 2 11/16/2005 5:21:44 Alan F 10 11/16/2005 5:35:11 Jacob O 3 11/16/2005 5:48:36 Raymond P1 11/16/2005 6:10:24 roger d 2 11/16/2005 6:31:00 Scott R 2 11/16/2005 6:39:22 Will B 5 11/16/2005 6:47:14 William L 2 11/16/2005 7:04:18 Jeffrey J 2 11/16/2005 7:08:46 Todd B 1 11/16/2005 7:11:57 Ronald S 3 11/16/2005 7:13:04 Helene C 5 11/16/2005 7:20:02 Jaime P 1 11/16/2005 7:23:01 Robert W 1 11/16/2005 7:35:40 Bryan W 1 11/16/2005 7:41:10 Michael A 5 11/16/2005 8:09:07 Thomas K 3 11/16/2005 8:22:32 Starla K 2 11/16/2005 8:42:43 Marc O 2 11/16/2005 8:47:55 Corkey B 3 11/16/2005 8:54:31 Chad E 2 11/16/2005 9:00:08 Michael M 5 11/16/2005 9:19:39 Collins C 4 11/16/2005 9:29:45 James P 4 11/16/2005 9:50:59 Kathy T 4 11/16/2005 9:54:22 Edward W 3 11/16/2005 10:51:41 Mark R 2 11/16/2005 11:11:38 Ruth H 4 11/16/2005 12:07:05 Monica S 4 11/16/2005 12:36:39 Aleesa D 2 11/16/2005 13:50:36 Barry S 1 11/16/2005 14:00:30 Robin K 20 11/16/2005 14:18:23 Todd M 2 11/16/2005 14:38:53 william w 2 11/16/2005 14:46:52 foske S 3 11/16/2005 15:48:33 Jim P 2 11/16/2005 18:18:37 renee d 2 11/16/2005 18:44:49 Kelly K 1 11/16/2005 19:13:45 David N 10 11/16/2005 23:30:54 Heidemarie K3 11/17/2005 0:25:03 Michael S 5 11/17/2005 6:28:52 Ken T 5 11/17/2005 11:29:55 Harry R 1 11/17/2005 12:31:53 Gregory L 2 11/17/2005 13:21:23 Joel D 2 11/17/2005 14:04:07 Paul S 10 11/17/2005 14:59:57 Carol M 8 11/17/2005 17:38:20 Gregory M 1 11/17/2005 17:44:33 david p 2 11/17/2005 19:29:27 Mike G 3 11/17/2005 19:40:26 Michael S 3 11/17/2005 23:47:06 Jacob O 3 11/18/2005 3:47:54 Andreas K 3 11/18/2005 4:40:33 Mary M 2 11/18/2005 5:26:55 brian h 1 11/18/2005 7:31:22 John E 4 11/18/2005 7:33:11 david m 2 11/18/2005 8:58:08 Deborah W 1 11/18/2005 14:29:44 Jerry M 10 11/19/2005 7:00:00 Dan R 2 11/19/2005 7:00:00 Trish B 1 11/18/2005 18:32:03 Michael L 1 11/19/2005 0:00:57 Steven L 4 11/19/2005 15:07:40 Thomas H 4 11/20/2005 6:58:56 Michael J 3 11/20/2005 9:13:06 Donald L 3

The new Minnesota Geocaching Association Coin can be found here: http://www.mngca.org/geocoin.php

Lakeville AATW - Airborne All the Way

One of the reasons the bylaws exist is because the MnGCA registared with the State of Minnesota as a Not for Profit Organization. It was one of the steps last years board took to make the organization more litigit in the eyes of the state and various counties. Being a member currently only requires that a member accept the bylaws. It allows the individual to participate in organization business, one of which is voting for the board. However, it has always been the goal of the previous board and of the current board to find a way to add value to being a member of the organization. The newly offered geocoin is one of those benefits. Those that are members will be given priority for the lowest serial numbers when the coins get struck. It's not much of a benefit except to those that care about what number they have on the coin. However, I believe that in the future the current board will be seeking input from board members (only) on various topics. The MnGCA does not and has never said that it represents all of the geocachers within Minnesota. Only that it was created to help enhance the community. The purpose of the MnGCA is listed as follows: The MnGCA was formed to provide a resource for Minnesota geocachers to organize activities and events that will improve the credibility of the sport and protect our natural resources. Our responsibilities include holding educational and informational activities to increase public awareness of our activities; to sponsor reports, meetings, and workshops for MnGCA members and the public on a wide area of topics, primarily about responsible land use and geocaching; to work with local, county, and state governments to promote geocaching as a family oriented outdoor activity; and to organize, promote, and participate in programs to help in the maintenance of parks and trail systems.

Forum won't let me edit on page 1 any more so here is the current sales list. Coin Sales to Date: 458 as of 1600 hrs CST 17 Nov 05 Updates will be made as often as possible. Date Time Name Quantity 11/14/2005 14:27:36 Nicole D 1 11/15/2005 16:30:22 Chad T 5 11/15/2005 17:12:06 Tony R 5 11/15/2005 17:57:54 Ruth L 2 11/15/2005 18:25:16 John E 6 11/15/2005 18:26:34 Matthew W 1 11/15/2005 18:51:05 Loran W 2 11/15/2005 18:51:57 Marianne R3 11/15/2005 18:54:42 Michael S 2 11/15/2005 18:57:34 DON J, H 2 11/15/2005 18:57:34 Melissa B 2 11/15/2005 18:57:45 Daniel L 4 11/15/2005 18:57:59 West Tennessee3 11/15/2005 18:59:09 James B 5 11/15/2005 18:59:22 David M 2 11/15/2005 19:00:59 Michael G 4 11/15/2005 19:04:40 Jim P 2 11/15/2005 19:04:52 Jeff J 4 11/15/2005 19:05:23 Stevem M 4 11/15/2005 19:07:37 julia j 1 11/15/2005 19:07:48 mark d 2 11/15/2005 19:08:30 Michael J 3 11/15/2005 19:09:42 Jason R 15 11/15/2005 19:11:58 John E 2 11/15/2005 19:16:51 Robert H 1 11/15/2005 19:21:44 Daniel W 1 11/15/2005 19:21:56 Emily S 2 11/15/2005 19:23:08 Neil M 1 11/15/2005 19:25:48 steven g 2 11/15/2005 19:28:19 Sandra F 4 11/15/2005 19:30:16 Vince S 1 11/15/2005 19:30:55 Gabriel R 2 11/15/2005 19:31:37 Carlene B 2 11/15/2005 19:33:28 Peter M 1 11/15/2005 19:36:16 James H 5 11/15/2005 19:36:27 Mike O 2 11/15/2005 19:38:21 kevin n 2 11/15/2005 19:39:21 Larry O 5 11/15/2005 19:42:21 Daryll S 3 11/15/2005 19:46:10 Tom L 2 11/15/2005 19:48:58 Jeffrey L 6 11/15/2005 19:49:54 michael H 1 11/15/2005 19:56:10 John G 2 11/15/2005 19:59:17 John D 3 11/15/2005 20:02:43 Bryan Q 1 11/15/2005 20:06:19 Wesley S 2 11/15/2005 20:06:42 Eric Z 6 11/15/2005 20:06:47 Laura C 2 11/15/2005 20:15:45 chuck h 4 11/15/2005 20:23:43 Lane V 2 11/15/2005 20:24:03 Craig W 1 11/15/2005 20:28:37 Bill B 2 11/15/2005 20:29:18 Barbara B 1 11/15/2005 20:30:43 Robert M 2 11/15/2005 20:30:52 Ross S 2 11/15/2005 20:34:26 Tim V 1 11/15/2005 20:38:23 Thomas B 2 11/15/2005 20:40:25 steven o 2 11/15/2005 21:02:20 RAYMOND C2 11/15/2005 21:08:52 Ellen B 19 11/15/2005 21:12:17 DENNIS K 1 11/15/2005 21:12:30 Bill B 27 11/15/2005 21:15:09 Chris B 2 11/15/2005 21:19:06 Sara C 3 11/15/2005 21:26:43 Kimberly S 2 11/15/2005 21:34:04 Robert B 3 11/15/2005 21:53:47 David M 2 11/15/2005 21:59:45 Gary S 3 11/15/2005 22:00:40 Chris G 4 11/15/2005 22:25:15 Audrey L 3 11/15/2005 22:28:48 ronald c 2 11/15/2005 22:31:53 Mark B 1 11/15/2005 22:42:37 Manuela S 1 11/15/2005 23:12:29 Daryl W 2 11/16/2005 0:22:54 Paul A 1 11/16/2005 0:36:26 David K 3 11/16/2005 0:36:32 Wolf-Dieter B2 11/16/2005 0:38:20 Holger W 3 11/16/2005 0:39:04 roy s 3 11/16/2005 2:00:01 Matthew M 3 11/16/2005 2:50:06 Charles K 6 11/16/2005 3:16:16 Kevin S 2 11/16/2005 3:22:55 TSB Sales 4 11/16/2005 3:23:53 David M 5 11/16/2005 3:33:46 Michael D 1 11/16/2005 3:33:50 Erin W 2 11/16/2005 3:39:50 Lenore D 1 11/16/2005 3:40:43 Paul C 3 11/16/2005 4:32:45 Thomas L 2 11/16/2005 4:49:12 Kevin S 1 11/16/2005 5:00:03 Marcus T 2 11/16/2005 5:04:09 dale e 2 11/16/2005 5:06:53 JAMES D 3 11/16/2005 5:11:00 Angela L 2 11/16/2005 5:21:44 Alan F 10 11/16/2005 5:35:11 Jacob O 3 11/16/2005 5:48:36 Raymond P1 11/16/2005 6:10:24 roger d 2 11/16/2005 6:31:00 Scott R 2 11/16/2005 6:39:22 Will B 5 11/16/2005 6:47:14 William L 2 11/16/2005 7:04:18 Jeffrey J 2 11/16/2005 7:08:46 Todd B 1 11/16/2005 7:11:57 Ronald S 3 11/16/2005 7:13:04 Helene C 5 11/16/2005 7:20:02 Jaime P 1 11/16/2005 7:23:01 Robert W 1 11/16/2005 7:35:40 Bryan W 1 11/16/2005 7:41:10 Michael A 5 11/16/2005 8:09:07 Thomas K 3 11/16/2005 8:22:32 Starla K 2 11/16/2005 8:42:43 Marc O 2 11/16/2005 8:47:55 Corkey B 3 11/16/2005 8:54:31 Chad E 2 11/16/2005 9:00:08 Michael M 5 11/16/2005 9:19:39 Collins C 4 11/16/2005 9:29:45 James P 4 11/16/2005 9:50:59 Kathy T 4 11/16/2005 9:54:22 Edward W 3 11/16/2005 10:51:41 Mark R 2 11/16/2005 11:11:38 Ruth H 4 11/16/2005 12:07:05 Monica S 4 11/16/2005 12:36:39 Aleesa D 2 11/16/2005 13:50:36 Barry S 1 11/16/2005 14:00:30 Robin K 20 11/16/2005 14:18:23 Todd M 2 11/16/2005 14:38:53 william w 2 11/16/2005 14:46:52 foske S 3 11/16/2005 15:48:33 Jim P 2 11/16/2005 18:18:37 renee d 2 11/16/2005 18:44:49 Kelly K 1 11/16/2005 19:13:45 David N 10 11/16/2005 23:30:54 Heidemarie K3 11/17/2005 0:25:03 Michael S 5 11/17/2005 6:28:52 Ken T 5 11/17/2005 11:29:55 Harry R 1 11/17/2005 12:31:53 Gregory L 2 11/17/2005 13:21:23 Joel D 2 11/17/2005 14:04:07 Paul S 10 11/17/2005 14:59:57 Carol M 8 11/17/2005 17:38:20 Gregory M 1 11/17/2005 17:44:33 david p 2

@ Arcticabn: Waiting for answer.............! So far I haven't received any e-mail from you. Don't know why maybe it's lost in the bit bucket. Please try again.

Parrolet, I completely understand your position. We'll leave the light on until December 30th just in case you decide to come and visit.

Thanks for helping out here dmnrec. Well after 2 full days, I've already received a whole host of e-mail telling us how we should or should not handle our coin sales. I've read every one of them personally. Please folks, we tried to do our homework. We contacted may of the organizations that had developed coins and we established a plan, briefed and had the plan approved. So I don't expect that we will be making any changes to that plan because it would take just as long to create a new plan and have it approved. We have a total of 427 coins ordered to date from 134 unique buyers. As far as numbers go. Sales were very heavy for the first 24 hours with nearly 350 coins ordered. Sales on day 2 dropped significantly and only 24 coins have been ordered today (day 3). But all of those great stories of selling out 1000 coins in 15 hours doesn't seem to have happened here. I don't believe that it is the fact that you all have to wait. If it was the first day wouldn't have been such a frenzy. It's that we have not been able to reach out to all of the Minnesota folks yet. But have reached those that read these threads. So now we need to start our advertising campaign. If any of you have a specific recommendation on who I should contact please send me an e-mail. If you want to inform someone please feel free and direct them to our sales page. Thanks for any help in getting the word out. Arcticabn

All, we the committee appreciate all of the advice. We really do. But we are going to stick with our plan of attack. We have already been working with our selected vendor and are comfortable with our process. Yes we realize 4 months is a long time. But not everyone is so connected to get their orders in on the first day. We developed this coin first and foremost for the members of the MnGCA followed by Minnesota Geocacher. Though I understand what you are saying, it's taken us over 6 months just to get to the point of presales. We plan to take the lessons learned from this project and apply them toward coin development in the future. I will check with the vendor about split ordering to see if we can gain the same price breaks as with a single order. But our bottom line is that we are reaching out to the cachers in this state and it takes time.

No you have time. LIke it says we are preselling the coins unti 30 December. You can order at any time up to that point. As I posted above we have no limit. We will make as many coins as ordered. A few of us may go in for a hundred or so extras for some post sales period late ones but for now. If you order between now and 30 Dec you will be good to go.

First page of This thread, Pg5 Well from what I can decipher, you're not making these gc.com trackable. So you wouldn't have to order 1500 min at all. In addition, I believe the requirement for purchasing tracking numbers for an organization (or state) has been reduced to 1000 now. Nothing I read explains why you would wait 7 weeks before putting the coins into production when by tomorrow I would guess from gc.com forum sales alone you should have approx. $2400 (not including shipping) or more in sales (that's saying you sell 400 coins by tomorrow, and that's quite likely). So can anyone answer my original question (sans links please)? Maam Being we were a small organization we didn't have the capital to up front the costs of tracking and such. Because we had no guarantee on the number of sales. As far as waiting. Again, we set a goal for presales within the organization. Your right we could order tomorrow. But what about someone who doesn't see the link until next week. Since we don't have capital to order hunderds of extra coins for future sales. This was the option we came up with. A 45 day sales period followed by manufacture of all coins ordered. To be quite honest, we would have loved to have the funds to 1) front the funding for trackable coins and 2) front several hundred or a thousand coins for later sales. But we don't have the money. In the end this is what we came up with. Arcticabn

The Minnesota Geocaching Association is proud to announce the presales of the MnGCA Geocoin. The MnGCA Geocoin design concept was developed by a committee of organization members and voted upon by the membership at large. The Geocoin Committee is currently working with USCoin Force to render the concept in a final coin friendly art design. In the mean time we are opening up presales of the coin to the membership and to the geocaching community. So what do you need to know? The design of the coin is intended to reflect the organization and the Minnesota geocacher. The coin will be approximately 1.5 inches in diameter made of a shiny silver base and have enamel coloring. The front side of the coin will depict the Minnesota Geocachers Association logo (state outline, pine trees, and Geocache) and will include the tag lines of “Minnesota Geocaching Association” and the web address www.mngca.org. Each coin will be serialized on this side. The back side of the coin is intended for periodic redesign. The first edition coin will depict a winter woods scene and a set of foot prints leading off into the woods. The tag lines for this side are “No GPS Needed…” and “Just Follow the Tracks!” Cost: $7.00 per coin (includes shipping) Shipping: United States Postal Service (1st Class Mail) Insurance: Optional (Fixed Price Based Upon Quantity) 1-7 Coins - $1.30 7-14 Coins - $2.20 15-21 Coins - $3.20 Payment Methods: Paypal, Check, Money Order, Cash Serialization Policy: This policy was developed based upon guidance from the MnGCA board. 1. MnGCA members will receive first priority. 2. Buyers with Minnesota mailing addresses will receive second priority. 3. All other buyers. This policy applies to the first coin order by each buyer. Mass orders will receive one coin that complies with the above policy and the remainder of the order will be filed after all orders receive their first serialized coin. Timeline: The prepay period currently is set to run through the end of the year (December 31st). If the minimum order of 300 coins is achieved and the funds are received then the committee will place the order the first week of January 2006. It is expected that it will take 6 to 8 weeks for the coins to be struck and shipped to the Geocoin Committee. As soon as they are received and inventoried they will be shipped to you. Based upon this timeline we expect to ship by March 15, 2006. Those interested in purchasing a coin may follow the link below to the sales page. http://www.mngca.org/geocoin.php If you prefer to place your order by mail we will accept checks or money orders. Please down load the Minnesota Geocoin Order Form at the link below. http://webpages.charter.net/arcticabn/geoc..._Order_Form.pdf Thanks for your participation. Arcticabn (Geocoin Committee Chariman) First Day Sales are Brisk I have orders on record from the following as of 1800 hrs CST 16 Nov 05 Date Time Name Quantity 11/14/2005 14:27:36 Nicole D 1 11/15/2005 16:30:22 Chad T 5 11/15/2005 17:12:06 Tony R 5 11/15/2005 17:57:54 Ruth L 2 11/15/2005 18:25:16 John E 6 11/15/2005 18:26:34 Matthew W 1 11/15/2005 18:51:05 Loran W 2 11/15/2005 18:51:57 Marianne R 3 11/15/2005 18:54:42 Michael S 2 11/15/2005 18:57:34 DON J, H 2 11/15/2005 18:57:34 Melissa B 2 11/15/2005 18:57:45 Daniel L 4 11/15/2005 18:57:59 West Tennessee 3 11/15/2005 18:59:09 James B 5 11/15/2005 18:59:22 David M 2 11/15/2005 19:00:59 Michael G 4 11/15/2005 19:04:40 Jim P 2 11/15/2005 19:04:52 Jeff J 4 11/15/2005 19:05:23 Stevem M 4 11/15/2005 19:07:37 julia j 1 11/15/2005 19:07:48 mark d 2 11/15/2005 19:08:30 Michael J 3 11/15/2005 19:09:42 Jason R 15 11/15/2005 19:11:58 John E 2 11/15/2005 19:16:51 Robert H 1 11/15/2005 19:21:44 Daniel W 1 11/15/2005 19:21:56 Emily S 2 11/15/2005 19:23:08 Neil M 1 11/15/2005 19:25:48 steven g 2 11/15/2005 19:28:19 Sandra F 4 11/15/2005 19:30:16 Vince S 1 11/15/2005 19:30:55 Gabriel R 2 11/15/2005 19:31:37 Carlene B 2 11/15/2005 19:33:28 Peter M 1 11/15/2005 19:36:16 James H 5 11/15/2005 19:36:27 Mike O 2 11/15/2005 19:38:21 kevin n 2 11/15/2005 19:39:21 Larry O 5 11/15/2005 19:42:21 Daryll S 3 11/15/2005 19:46:10 Tom L 2 11/15/2005 19:48:58 Jeffrey L 6 11/15/2005 19:49:54 michael H 1 11/15/2005 19:56:10 John G 2 11/15/2005 19:59:17 John D 3 11/15/2005 20:02:43 Bryan Q 1 11/15/2005 20:06:19 Wesley S 2 11/15/2005 20:06:42 Eric Z 6 11/15/2005 20:06:47 Laura C 2 11/15/2005 20:15:45 chuck h 4 11/15/2005 20:23:43 Lane V 2 11/15/2005 20:24:03 Craig W 1 11/15/2005 20:28:37 Bill B 2 11/15/2005 20:29:18 Barbara B 1 11/15/2005 20:30:43 Robert M 2 11/15/2005 20:30:52 Ross S 2 11/15/2005 20:34:26 Tim V 1 11/15/2005 20:38:23 Thomas B 2 11/15/2005 20:40:25 steven o 2 11/15/2005 21:02:20 RAYMOND C 2 11/15/2005 21:08:52 Ellen B 19 11/15/2005 21:12:17 DENNIS K 1 11/15/2005 21:12:30 Bill B 27 11/15/2005 21:15:09 Chris B 2 11/15/2005 21:19:06 Sara C 3 11/15/2005 21:26:43 Kimberly S 2 11/15/2005 21:34:04 Robert B 3 11/15/2005 21:53:47 David M 2 11/15/2005 21:59:45 Gary S 3 11/15/2005 22:00:40 Chris G 4 11/15/2005 22:25:15 Audrey L 3 11/15/2005 22:28:48 ronald c 2 11/15/2005 22:31:53 Mark B 1 11/15/2005 22:42:37 Manuela S 1 11/15/2005 23:12:29 Daryl W 2 11/16/2005 0:22:54 Paul A 1 11/16/2005 0:36:26 David K 3 11/16/2005 0:36:32 Wolf-Dieter B 2 11/16/2005 0:38:20 Holger W 3 11/16/2005 0:39:04 roy s 3 11/16/2005 2:00:01 Matthew M 3 11/16/2005 2:50:06 Charles K 6 11/16/2005 3:16:16 Kevin S 2 11/16/2005 3:22:55 TSB Sales 4 11/16/2005 3:23:53 David M 5 11/16/2005 3:33:46 Michael D 1 11/16/2005 3:33:50 Erin W 2 11/16/2005 3:39:50 Lenore D 1 11/16/2005 3:40:43 Paul C 3 11/16/2005 4:32:45 Thomas L 2 11/16/2005 4:49:12 Kevin S 1 11/16/2005 5:00:03 Marcus T 2 11/16/2005 5:04:09 dale e 2 11/16/2005 5:06:53 JAMES D 3 11/16/2005 5:11:00 Angela L 2 11/16/2005 5:21:44 Alan F 10 11/16/2005 5:35:11 Jacob O 3 11/16/2005 5:48:36 Raymond P 1 11/16/2005 6:10:24 roger d 2 11/16/2005 6:31:00 Scott R 2 11/16/2005 6:39:22 Will B 5 11/16/2005 6:47:14 William L 2 11/16/2005 7:04:18 Jeffrey J 2 11/16/2005 7:08:46 Todd B 1 11/16/2005 7:11:57 Ronald S 3 11/16/2005 7:13:04 Helene C 5 11/16/2005 7:20:02 Jaime P 1 11/16/2005 7:23:01 Robert W 1 11/16/2005 7:35:40 Bryan W 1 11/16/2005 7:41:10 Michael A 5 11/16/2005 8:09:07 Thomas K 3 11/16/2005 8:22:32 Starla K 2 11/16/2005 8:42:43 Marc O 2 11/16/2005 8:47:55 Corkey B 3 11/16/2005 8:54:31 Chad E 2 11/16/2005 9:00:08 Michael M 5 11/16/2005 9:19:39 Collins C 4 11/16/2005 9:29:45 James P 4 11/16/2005 9:50:59 Kathy T 4 11/16/2005 9:54:22 Edward W 3 11/16/2005 10:51:41 Mark R 2 11/16/2005 11:11:38 Ruth H 4 11/16/2005 12:07:05 Monica S 4 11/16/2005 12:36:39 Aleesa D 2 11/16/2005 13:50:36 Barry S 1 11/16/2005 14:00:30 Robin K 20 11/16/2005 14:18:23 Todd M 2 11/16/2005 14:38:53 william w 2 11/16/2005 14:46:52 foske S 3 11/16/2005 15:48:33 Jim P 2