DaNerdling

Sorry, I included the date of submission and today in my count. Thanks for the heads up. Archived to save them the trouble as there is a multi nearby and the final is probably near my cache. Oh well

Yes I did. It still says "waiting for review". But maybe the reviewers are busy, I'll give it a few more days.

Ah okay, thanks for the response. I'll give it a few more days then before contacting one of my reviewers.

Personally I only log DNF's if I have good reason to believe the cache is missing (been a year since it was last found, construction in the area, high muggle traffic, etc). If the difficulty rating is fairly high and I've only had time to search for a few minutes before moving on and someone found it a few days ago, logic tells me it is still there, I just need to search again. So I don't bother posting a DNF. Now if I've been back 5 or 6 times still with no luck, then I'll log it on the off chance it is missing so the CO can confirm whether I just overlooked something or it is indeed missing. If I logged every DNF I encountered, I'd have CO's out constantly shaking their heads at me because I missed the obvious lol.

I listed a cache for review 5 calendar days ago, there has still been no activity from a reviewer on it, should I contact somebody or just be patient? Has this happened to anyone else? The longest a cache ever took to publish before was about 2 days and even the website says it shouldn't be any longer than about 72 hours. Just unsure if somehow my cache slipped through the cracks or if the reviewers are just busy (though given the time of year I can't imagine why). Would appreciate some input.

I have personally witnessed caches being trashed so I'm starting to see the point behind it. I have seen however film canisters made into PMO so I'm not sure I fully agree yet but I am starting to see why a lot do it. This is why I asked, because now I know. Thanks guys

I fail to see how an abandoned rusty axle, which to my knowledge is not formed in nature and has no reason to be in that tree (which is also on public land, I checked) for any other purpose than as a Geocache, constitutes "damag[ing] or alter[ing]" property. Not to mention I found the cache while it was active and it clearly had a container attached to it, and upon returning to the tree, the container was now gone but the axle remained. This leads me to believe the CO's no longer wanted it. I am going to ask permission from them to re purpose it anyways, and unless it slipped their mind to reclaim an old car part which has been exposed to the elements for years to then use on their probably modern vehicle, I think it's safe to call it abandoned property. And on the off chance they do still want it for whatever reason, I'm sure they will tell me this when/if I decide to start the project. Anyways my initial question was asked and answered, I've determined it is okay for me to put a new cache here and knowing the CO's as I do, I don't believe they will have any issue with me reusing a rusty old axle for my own purpose, which is to leave it in the exact same tree they left it in, and making it look pretty. I appreciate the concern though.

I never thought about it like that before, I guess caches you spent a lot of time setting up would be rather important to you, and some first time users don't quite "get it". Interesting input, thank you. I'm not arguing the benefits of the membership itself as it is beneficial to lots of people, just not for me. I just wanted to know why CO's make some of their caches premium only when not everyone is a member. As a CO of a handful of caches, I want everyone to be able to enjoy them, not just a select few.

I've been a basic member since March as I don't really feel the need for premium as I can log any cache outside of a D/T-1 through the website. The light green dot still appears where the cache is, the only thing I lose is the distance to the cache and the orange indicator telling me the direction. Also I am not a FTF hunter as I've already found my first and don't feel I need more really so the "newest cache" feature isn't overly useful to me, nor is the "best cache" feature as I enjoy the surprise of finding great caches. And it's interesting seeing my stats, but not necessary for my enjoyment... All this leads to my question - What exactly is the point of making certain caches "premium only"? I think it takes away from the enjoyment for those who either can't afford premium or just don't see the need for it like myself. I also used my trial up just out of curiosity, so premium caches I've previously logged, I can no longer go back and read new logs for. Why, as the CO, would you want to take away the enjoyment of finding your cache simply because one does not have premium? I just don't get it! Maybe I'm missing something here so I would appreciate some input.

I'm guessing no one responding here will ever find it so in the spirit of clearing things up, it's an old rusted axle off of a car inside of a tree, the name of the cache was "Axle Rose", which I thought was very clever. The actual container was attached to the axle and they removed it but left the axle, so I'm guessing they no longer want it. But I had every intention of contacting them first on the off chance they did. From their log on the archived posting they claim it's because it was part of a series that was only placed for an event, and other entries in the series kept going missing, so they archived the whole series. They did this about 5 months ago. The reason I said this is because it is rusty and the "Rose" part of "Axle Rose" was never implemented on the original, so I was going to paint it pink (rose, get it?). But again, I will definitely contact the original CO before doing any of this anyways so I doubt there will be an issue. I just wasn't sure if reusing an old location was allowed but it seems it is. I really appreciate your concern though

Well see part of the fun of the old cache was it was a pun based on the item in question and the container was removed but the item remains, so I wanted to leave it alone (albeit give it a new paint job) and add my own spin to it. But I'm glad to know I can list a new and improved version of the old cache. I'll probably still contact the original CO anyways (who is still active by the way) as a courtesy. Thanks for the feedback

I was mainly going to do this out of a courtesy as part of the previous cache still remains at the location and I was planning to repurpose it. But this is good to know, as I really enjoyed the cache and wanted to keep it alive for future cachers.

You make a good point. I always assumed the "miles" were automatically calculated based on the distance between where it was picked up versus where it was placed. I'll take this into consideration for future coins/bugs. Thanks

Probably a stupid question but I can't seem to find any info on the subject. I have an idea for a cache but it's in the same location as one I previously found (and really enjoyed) but has since been archived. Am I able to place a new cache in it's place (with permission from the original owner of course) or is this spot now a dead zone?

I personally don't even bother logging "visits". Why log it if you're not leaving it there? Nope, I just move it along to an appropriate container and carry on.

I think there should be a limit but within reason. If you have 1000+ caches and a steady job I seriously question your ability to maintain (or even remember) every single one. A limit would cause users to be more creative with their caches so as to not waste a listing, and if they hit the limit, archive caches that aren't overly memorable. But at the same time, a limit of 25 or something silly like that is too far the other way. It's all about finding that sweet number I think would be a good idea. But hey, if you're a seasoned cacher who legitimately has nothing else better to do than maintain 1000+ caches, all power to you my friend.

I recently attended my first caching event and I had a great time. I went back to the listing and made a note to thank the host and other cachers involved. Almost immediately I had several different users urging me to edit my log from a note to "Attended" to increase my cache count. My only issue is I didn't actually "find" anything, I just ate breakfast with fellow cachers. I replied to them all with this and they all gave me a somewhat confused response back. I just feel like my cache count will no longer be accurate if I log an event as nothing was actually found. Just curious if anyone else feels this way, surely I'm not the only one.

I very frequently revisit previous cache pages from multiple owners, but only to read new cachers' experiences with them. I don't make new notes or anything, just enjoy reading others' perspectives on certain caches.

Yes my plan was to include a big ol' warning so if you actually read the description, you'll know before going in. Thanks for the feedback, maybe I will go ahead with this.

I'm not a teen myself (though I was one not all that long ago), but I know two local cachers personally are teenagers. Not sure how old they are as I thought it would be rude to ask, but one looks to be about 14 and the other appears to be about 17. They're really nice down to earth kids, so maybe there is hope for this generation after all... To answer your question though if I can speak for myself (I'm close enough to my teenage years that I feel I can answer) some of my friends think it's a little weird but my family is generally accepting of it. They get a little sick of me talking about it but they don't think I'm weird or anything. They're just glad I'm going outside lol.

Been toying with the idea of doing a multi where the final is in a different city (within an hour or so of myself so I could still do maintenance if needed), requiring a road trip of sorts. I'm just worried this might cheese some people off. Has this been done before? Would you be mad if you attempted before reading the description? Any input would be lovely.

Personally I would count this one, I've had a few caches where they were wedged so tight that I nearly abandoned the attempt but I did actually make the find. Also being from Canada sometimes caches are frozen so they can't be signed. My rule of thumb is if I have my hands on the container, I've made the find (but signing the log if possible, obviously). Anyways, here's one I saw the other day:

Thanks for all the help guys. I ended up caving and bought a Garmin Etrex 10. I currently have 7 hides out there and so far they are going over quite well. Re-reading my original post, even I'm not sure exactly what I was asking... chalk it up to inexperience I guess. But now I have just under 450 finds so I've got a little experience now Thread may be closed as I found my answer. Thanks again guys, I appreciate the help.

I had a similar experience a few months ago as well. I was doing a power trail and one of the caches required me to go fairly deep into the brush. A girl who was approaching me on the trail stopped right where I disappeared and started freaking out. I assumed she thought I was going to attack her or something so I stayed hidden and hoped she'd move on when I didn't do anything. But she didn't leave. She just kept shouting "YO!!!" louder and louder and was getting more and more emotional, and after what seemed like an eternity, finally left. This freaked me out so I got out of there. As I was headed back down the trail I rounded a corner and was face to face with the girl. She immediately turned and ran. The next day... I returned to finish the series figuring it would be more quiet and after finding a few of the caches, a hooded person in sunglasses was walking towards me and I didn't think much of it. When they passed me I realized it was her again. So I turned and when she realized it was me again, she once again took off running. A few minutes after that another person, also hooded, in a backpack emerged from about where one of the caches was and I assumed it to be another cacher and when he saw me... you guessed it, he ran. Half an hour later... I got to the very last entry in the series and once again it was in the brush. Before I could make the find, I heard someone coming and assuming it was her again, hid once more. After hiding for at least 10 minutes and realizing they weren't leaving, I manned up and emerged. I was greeted by two police officers noticeably surprised. I was shocked but figured my best option was to just approach them and tell the truth if questioned. They asked me what the heck I was doing and I told them. They questioned me for about 10 minutes and I soon found out they were looking for a suspicious person and asked if I had seen them. Needless to say I had so I told them my story. They asked me to take them to the spot where I saw the backpack guy so I did. They took down my statement and finally let me go. I immediately went to my mother's house to tell her my story and before I could, she informed me that there was a massive manhunt in the area for a murder suspect and she pulled up a picture of him on Facebook and guess who? It was backpack guy. I later deduced that crazy girl and backpack guy were together and when she saw me go into the brush initially, she thought I was him (I assume that's where he was hiding out) and was looking for him. Needless to say I didn't go back for the last entry for a few weeks after that.

I was referring to the official Geocache app for iPhone. It shows you your coordinates so I was curious if it is reliable source for hiding a cache as I want it to be as easily accessible as possible (DNF's are so disheartening). I found a free third party app as well but it proved less than reliable. I'm sure I could find a used device for relatively cheap, but I just want to make sure my cache is accurate as possible before I list it.