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I found these on the Internet: [Names of programs removed by moderator] Be responsible with these tools and respect Garmin Copyrights.

The only real drawback is that Garmin's data cards tend to be fairly small, 2 gigabytes, so you're not going to get a lot of other mapsets on there, but it can be done, anyway. Maybe we can persuade Garmin to sell larger cards so the map they are selling can co-exist with others people might already own on dvd or cd and plan to install on the cards? There are 2 very simple and handy programs which can be downloaded from the Internet which will allow you to move the Maps from a Garmin pre-programmed micro-SD Card to a larger capacity SDHC Card. You can re-code the Maps to the new card's ID. I think it makes sense to put in the highest capacity card that you can afford.

Looks like a title without the message. Not sure why that happened so I reposted the question.

Saw this thread on another forum, http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?...p;highlight=gps. Just wondering if anyone has heard about it or experienced problems because of it.

Yes! I thought maybe Garmin took it from you to help determine how it needed to be fixed.

Look in your GPS under map selection, the number should be right below the 24K map name.

Not that I'm a big fan of conspiracies but if your experiences with Garmin weren't so one-sided...makes me think you treated the waitress unkindly and she passed that on to the cook, who honked a loogy in your hamburger after he scraped it up off of the floor. Of course, she smiled kindly when she delivered it and made sure to check on you a short while later to see if there was anything else she could get you. "Have a nice day and thank you for coming!" she says with a cute smile and sugar in her tone. You leave feeling like you got the best of her, but she returns to the cook and they give each other high-fives in the kitchen. You're still wondering about that subtle, not quite so right, aftertaste in your mouth that you attributed to the diet soda you drank. Of course, that would never happen. Not at Garmin, and never in a restaurant.

At least you got your elk!

Here's the latest info I've received from Garmin Tech Support:

I don't think you could go wrong with eiher one. However, that being said the bugs are still being worked out of the Colorado series while the 60Csx is very well established.

You could find a kiosk location for InvisiShield in a mall and they will custom cut to size, and then install it for you. At least I know they have one in our area.

You'll have to post if the Garmin Oregon is actually an improvement, or even a solution, to the problems experienced with the Colorado. I would be interested in hearing your take...especially since you have firsthand experience with the Colorado and it's associated problems.

Waiting to find out on mine. Here is the response I got from the Garmin Support Tech: If it doesn't work for them...who knows. (He's referring to testing my replacement before shipping as well as someone else testing my RMA'd unit and relaying the results of that test)

Yogazoo, I'm now joining you among the ranks of the Garmin Colorado RMA club. Mine will no longer plot data while OFF and the recent exchanges with Garmin Tech Support have resulted in a RMA. I am quite confident that it did work initially. I don't know exactly what happened, or what changed...but when I power ON, the barometric pressure shows a sharp spike to zero. After some time (maybe 10-15 minutes) the spike is replaced with (what I believe to be) computed data, not real time sample values. I hope to compare notes when our replacements arrive... According to Garmin Tech Support, The Tech admitted some confusion about the TRACK LOG settings, in that barometric pressure is not saved in the track log...so why does it need to be on?

Nope. I am going to run another plot overnight tonight. yogazoo, here is another barometric plot from the other weather station located near my house (they plot data every 5 seconds): Courtesy of Weather Underground.

Here's a couple of screenshots of plotted data while my Colorado was OFF, compared to an actual plot from a weather station not far from where I live.

I was more specific in my follow-up question. However, I think the answer exceeds the scope of 'standard' Garmin support.

Yogazoo, I'll try and get it together to post some plots. The barometric pressure does not change dramatically in our part of the Country, but what I'll do is try to post some trend data from a nearby weather station for comparison. A suggestion: (I wouldn't normally advocate doing this, but...) In light of your past experiences with Garmin RMA's, have you considered dropping the dime (again, I know) on a new unit and then swapping them out...returning the defective unit for a full refund? At least you could avoid any possiblility of receiving a previously defective unit that was refurbished. Yes, I agree that Garmin tech support is lacking...at best geared for the 'average' consumer. I still view unexplained sharp downward spikes (while powered OFF) which do correct after several minutes with the unit powered ON. This is associated with Barometric Pressure, not Ambient Pressure...so perhaps it is dependent upon elevation and a position lock? If you observe the plotted data in 'real-time' you will see that data is plotted more frequently than every 15 minutes while the unit is powered ON. I think that it is a 'given' that the Colorado was designed to sample every 15 min (as stated in the manual) while powered OFF. I believe this is what 'should be' occurring when the screen flashes while the unit is powered OFF and the "save always" option is selected. What is unknown, is whether an additional calculation (based on previous data and current data) is being made before the values are plotted. In other words, are they trying to show a "trend" or are they intending to display the actual, 'real-time' raw data values. I believe this is the case with Ambient Pressure, but I'm not so sure with Barometric Pressure. The Garmin Tech as much as admitted this was beyond the scope of his responsibility...Understandable.

I took your advice and here is the text of my follow-up and Garmin's response: I also checked my recorded data to a local weatherstation which is just down the road from my house. It matches what the Colorado is drawing both while ON, and while OFF with vary little variation. I've checked it over the course of two 12-hour periods and feel pretty comfortable with it now. Sometimes, when I first turn the unit back on and check the plot it will show a sharp downward spike. After about 5 minutes it corrects itself (not sure what causes the spike). Weather Underground will allow you to search for a weather station near by which will allow you to do your own verification. Here is a link: Weather Underground.

I did respond with the following: My expectations might be a little high, but c'mon...

I did. There are a bunch of keebler elves inside trying to figure out the best route to Kalamazoo, Michigan.

I know, isn't it great? The guy probably gets paid a piece rate per email.

Here is my question to Garmin Tech Support (I wanted to keep it specific and short): Here is the response I received from the Tech:

Any tone you perceive is purely your own invention, sorry. I've only asked a few questions and backed them up with the information supplied in the Owner's Manual (not a very comprehensive manual, IMHO). I didn't try to tell you anything, other than to state that making a comparison to the 60Csx might not be accurate when stating expectations on performance. In light of your previous comments, what I think you are trying to tell me now is that the Garmin Colorado plots dynamic data and that in between those 'real-time' plotted data values (which occur every 15 min, ON or OFF) the Colorado interpolates a calculated (or averaged) value. Since I can see that you have an open mind, try this next time you are looking at the plot...select the last value and then observe over the course of several minutes as the Colorado appends data points to the trend. They occur at least every minute, or perhaps sooner (but we lack the resolution to confirm that). By individual data points, I mean actual sensor-recorded values. Please, break it down for me just a little bit further if you would (just take a deep breath and try to stay calm). How do you know which ones are the actual, sensor-recorded values and which ones were interpolated (or averaged)? This is with the Power ON. Likewise, how do you know which values were real-time sensor readings with the Power Off? Don't tell me it's because the data is linear...averaging points in between 15 minute samples could give you that. At night, I assume that when the unit flashes the screen (like others on this forum) it is taking a reading. This does occur approximately every 15 minutes. If it didn't add points in between the sensro-recorded values or, if you could view only the sensor-recorded values it might be an improvement. At least we would know what it is that we are viewing and if the unit is working correctly, or not. Also, looking at a 12-hour history, observe how the shape of the plotted data changes when you switch the Barometer Mode between Fixed Elevation/Variable Elevation. I understand the difference between the two modes and when to use them...but the difference in the shape of the plotted data is...I have no explanation for it (It doesn't seem to correlate with elevation). What is lacking from Garmin is a clear explanation of how the Barometric Pressure features are designed to work on the Garmin Colorado...other than the very few details in the Owner's Manual. I have asked Garmin for that information and will post whatever response I get from them.

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