Mr.Yuck

Those were banned for challenge caches published on or after 12 March 2012. Previously published challenge caches were grandfathered in and are allowed to retain their date restrictions. The cache in question was published on 23 Oct. 2009, so it is grandfathered. Here are Groundspeak's challenge cache guidelines. That date of 12 March 2012 is correct. You know how I know that? I actually had a challenge cache published the day before, on March 11th, 2012. The challenge in question is essentially a "all finds must be after the publication date of this challenge" ALR. I've just never seen it phrased in that manner; you can't very well post a note to it's page until after it's published, right? It's also a textbook example of why TPTB decided the challenge cache guidelines needed to be tightened up. Did you see all the "rules" on this one? One within a mile of a major river, and one on an Island? Geesh.

Agreed.

Yeah, but if someone is routinely violating basic geocaching etiquette, then there's a chance they're doing it out of ignorance, rather than malice. If they're doing it out of ignorance, then letting them know how their actions are perceived by others might actually help them. I like that point. But the OP is long gone from this thread in this case and thinks everything is hunky dory, after like the first 4 people, including a reviewer, told them the CO was an idiot for emailing them.

Good catch hzoi. Never would have noticed that in a million years. Hey, at least someone replied.

So why do we have to hear about this in a forum post following a podcast? Why don't Groundspeak announce this formally in the newsletter? Or am I missing something? Not the first time they "leaked" something. I can remember the Geocaching Vlogger being the first person to report something. Can't remember what it was though. Sonny and Sandy are indeed the people behind the whole WWFM movement. See the contact page at gcwwfm.com. If you listen to the show, they in no way think this means the end of WWFM. HOWEVER, I personally believe it will be the end of "just for the heck of it" flash mobs. Good Riddance.

http://www.geocaching.com/blog/2014/02/5-geocaching-etiquette-tips/ So if someone sent that, you'd change all of your logs to "SL" or "." ? That'll show them! Yeah, I have to say, I'm kind of shocked by some of the early advice the OP got, and not only that, I'm rather shocked at some of the user accounts said advice was coming from. I dunno man, would it have made a difference that I saw that the OP was once a "that's one more find for me" intro app logger? That they dropped a "nice hide" log on an excellent cache with 11 favorite points? That the 20 caches in question were PMO, and maybe the cache owner did that to cut down on intro app and Tftc loggers? Plenty of people around here have said they make their caches PMO to keep intro app users away, and plenty of people rail against lame logging around here. Was it the fact an email was sent that makes it apparently so offensive to some people? People tend to imagine emotions in text that simply aren't there, which seems common in here also. This is one reasons emoticons are often used. Reading the same letter 3 different ways could have 3 different conclusions by 3 different people. We don't see the text of the email, but yet are given enough information to figure out who it is. If the text was posted, but without identifying info, there would certainly be more varied responses. Of course some people are offended by any email that doesn't praise them. Then again, it's Monday and most are at supposed to be working instead of posting in here. It's lunch hour here on the east coast, as I'm sure you know. My first post, I can't talk about that one though.

http://www.geocaching.com/blog/2014/02/5-geocaching-etiquette-tips/ So if someone sent that, you'd change all of your logs to "SL" or "." ? That'll show them! Yeah, I have to say, I'm kind of shocked by some of the early advice the OP got, and not only that, I'm rather shocked at some of the user accounts said advice was coming from. I dunno man, would it have made a difference that I saw that the OP was once a "that's one more find for me" intro app logger? That they dropped a "nice hide" log on an excellent cache with 11 favorite points? That the 20 caches in question were PMO, and maybe the cache owner did that to cut down on intro app and Tftc loggers? Plenty of people around here have said they make their caches PMO to keep intro app users away, and plenty of people rail against lame logging around here. Was it the fact an email was sent that makes it apparently so offensive to some people?

What was the CO thinking? I went to all this trouble to hide this awesome cache and all you could type was "TFTC", I deserve better than this, I'm special, my cache is special, you have to acknowledge this! Wisenheimer. Additionally, if you look, all 20 caches are PMO. Perhaps this CO made his caches PMO thinking he/she has much less chance of intro app users, or Tftc loggers finding it.

Does that mean you're not coming back? Because it's kind of hard to defend the CO in this case, but those who know me, or my posting stance on lame logs, can probably guess that I'm going to. You say you're not new to this, but you pretty much are. Your earliest logs are "that's one more find for me, thanks so much for hiding this geocache", which isn't even a log you typed yourself, but the (since removed) standard log from the intro to Geocaching app. Here's a cache with 11 favorites points that you logged with 2 words, "nice hide". The cache owner here seems to be frustrated by the proliferation of lame logging, which almost always comes from people thumbing out a couple words or an acronym from smartphones at the cache site. Once upon a time, namely from 2000-2009, everyone went home to a computer to log their finds, and "Tftc" logging was extremely rare. At the very least, you now know that many people who hide caches for others to find (and you have not), would like to see more than 2 words or an acronym for a Geocaching log. Despite the fact it came via an email rant.

I could look up the story for you where an on-duty Green Bay Wisconsin firefighter who was an avid Geocacher could not convince his fellow City employees to not blow up a cache. Dude had to like stand there and watch. And Green Bay is not a super huge town, the cops and firemen would be expected to know each other, or at least be like "hey, I've seen this guy before". ...i would have to say thats an overreaction, like "dude its my property i know exactly what it is, in fact didnt you log it last week?" ...sorry i just caught a visual from that If I remember correctly, without still looking it up, it was a micro at a baseball diamond in a City Park. I will still look it up, if pressed. This is the forums, where there is often a "yeah, it deserved to be blown up" attitude. However, the Geocaching mainstream often takes the standard "overreaction stance" like yourself. As evidenced by all the locals usually posting wisecracks or "overreaction" notes to cache pages of ill fated caches that go boom. i get the idea ...i could understand if it was an ammo can or a tupperware size container, but a micro? i can see how a film can could hold an m80 but all the other things that would complete the device no i cant see that... im thinking that there is only a limited number of emergency response members so a response to every geocache incident opens the door for someone to exploit the paranoia and do something truly horrible while the team is distracted... ...terrorism is not designed to foster abuse of our constitutional rights, but rather to foster fear of our constitutional rights... I'm an Army guy (22 years, all Reserve), and I did hold the Combat Engineer Military Occupational Specialty, although I just got qualified for the heck of it, and never used it, but here ya' go: C4 plastic explosive. And a (hard to tell, but that looks like about a film canister sized ball). There was a cache blown about about 15 miles from me in Niagara Falls Ontario once, but the closest US cache, about 90 miles away was indeed a film canister in a Sams Club parking lot.

11:00 AM Sunday February 15th, and supposedly Boston is being hammered again as we speak. But with 0 Degree temps this time. I wonder if anyone born and raised in Hawaii ever got posted to Ft. Drum? Anything he told you is true. Watertown, N.Y. is friggin' Siberia. Probably worse than Siberia, I doubt they get an average of 200 inches annual snowfall there.

I could look up the story for you where an on-duty Green Bay Wisconsin firefighter who was an avid Geocacher could not convince his fellow City employees to not blow up a cache. Dude had to like stand there and watch. And Green Bay is not a super huge town, the cops and firemen would be expected to know each other, or at least be like "hey, I've seen this guy before". ...i would have to say thats an overreaction, like "dude its my property i know exactly what it is, in fact didnt you log it last week?" ...sorry i just caught a visual from that If I remember correctly, without still looking it up, it was a micro at a baseball diamond in a City Park. I will still look it up, if pressed. This is the forums, where there is often a "yeah, it deserved to be blown up" attitude. However, the Geocaching mainstream often takes the standard "overreaction stance" like yourself. As evidenced by all the locals usually posting wisecracks or "overreaction" notes to cache pages of ill fated caches that go boom.

Here ya' go, on topic. Would be better if it was Harvard, but it's still New England. Anti Global warming protest cancelled at Yale this weekend due to cold weather. You heard it first. I predict a 0% chance of major media outlets covering the story.

I could look up the story for you where an on-duty Green Bay Wisconsin firefighter who was an avid Geocacher could not convince his fellow City employees to not blow up a cache. Dude had to like stand there and watch. And Green Bay is not a super huge town, the cops and firemen would be expected to know each other, or at least be like "hey, I've seen this guy before".

Yep, it was that moisture in the air that would turn to snow as soon as the sun set. Every morning there'd be another inch or so on the ground. We'd get up in the morning an do P.T. outside. Afterwards, I'd be in the barracks getting changed for work and Willard Scott would be doing the weather. "Coldest spot in the lower 48 right now - Watertown, New York". Still beautiful country up there though. Watertown was -24 last night, mentioned as the coldest spot in NY on the morning news. By the way, did you know all but about 10 of the old WWII barracks are gone? And those are just used for offices and stuff, not barracks. I was up there last Labor Day weekend. I know, beat me with the off topic stick. and have you seen the 2016 Indian Dark Horse? Sweet ride. Was I the first one to bring up Watertown or Syracuse? No, it was New Englanders. Apparently, you're not one of them either. I actually did find a cache in 2 feet of snow today, although it was a micro off the ground in a pedestrian tunnel in a park. I do doubt there is much caching going on in Boston. Although you never know, I hear many people have been off of work all week.

Yep, it was that moisture in the air that would turn to snow as soon as the sun set. Every morning there'd be another inch or so on the ground. We'd get up in the morning an do P.T. outside. Afterwards, I'd be in the barracks getting changed for work and Willard Scott would be doing the weather. "Coldest spot in the lower 48 right now - Watertown, New York". Still beautiful country up there though. Watertown was -24 last night, mentioned as the coldest spot in NY on the morning news. By the way, did you know all but about 10 of the old WWII barracks are gone? And those are just used for offices and stuff, not barracks. I was up there last Labor Day weekend. I know, beat me with the off topic stick.

You have to click the "see forum posts by this user" link for trackinthebox. It was the worstest meltdown ever. Not saying, mind you that 74VWBusFamily had a "meltdown". Just a single pretty major drama incident.

And indeed if you stalk the OP ERRRRRRRRR, I mean look at one of their last 4 finds, you'll see where exactly such an "innocent coincidence" thing happened. Don't worry MishchiefMakers. According to this log I stumbled on, running around to yellow auto trader boxes isn't even Geocaching.

Team Lagonda rang a bell, and it appears it was because I actually found one of their caches before the Geocide. Me, I just emailed trackinthebox for guidance.

I did one in the Syracuse area with that much snow...a nice .5 mile schlepp each way. Fortunately cache was at the end of a huge fallen tree (root end) so I knew where I had to dig! I didn't say how many DNF's there were on those two outings. Yup, there are snowier places, but Syracuse, N.Y. is the long time snowiest major City in the lower 48. Linky. I have about 24" on the ground right now. As soon as I type this, I'm going to email local "streak guy" to see if he's finally thrown in the towel. I'm going to guess he has.

Aha! So!!!!!! It was YOUR fault. We still live with that today, even though you've been away for 9 years. Thanks for nothing, you puritan! Yes, but closer examination shows that Hugh Jazz (get it?) was a sock puppet account. No finds and two hides, one being an event. The real person behind the term Puritan may or may not still be around. But I'll tell you what, before just now, if you would have told me anyone other than sbell111 or Toz invented it, I would have told you that you were crazy.

Looks like about 30-40 inches of depth in most of the Boston area. They're obviously not accustomed to that there, but it can be done. I'll say I've found about 5 caches on two different outings with about 36 inches on the ground. And yes, I'm talking in the woods, not LPC's. And I have heard a story of a local digging out an LPC years ago.

?? Wow, major auto correct failure. Although if youre powerful enough to manufacture a god, well you'll have no problem giving away a scolarship. Let's try again, Why Groundspeak? Why not GPS manufacturers? Well, Magellan has abandoned Geocachers (fired their one and only Geocaching liason), and won't even give away their units to event holders from my experience. When I tried to get one (and they used to give them away like crazy), I was told their corporate giveaway program currently had "no funding". So I wouldn't be expecting any scholarships there. Garmin? Who knows. P.S. Delorme and Lowrance have also given up on Geocaching (my opinion, of course).

The two cheapest brand new current GPS models are the Garmin Etrex 10 (about $100), and the Magellan Explorist 110 (per the name, about $110). Both of which give you paperless caching ability. The main advantage to the extra 10 bucks is that the Magellan is a color unit, the Etrex 10 is black and white. The Etrex 20 would blow away the Magellan Explorist 110, but I don't know what they're running, probably close to $200. You can get better deals on used stuff, of course. But the older the unit, the less likely it will support paperless Geocaching. I'd say it's been about 3 or 4 years that even the cheapest current models support paperless caching.

Project-gc Has all 50 States, I'm sure. EDIT: Yep, they has it. How did I miss that County in the middle?