Clan Ferguson
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Originally posted by Eric O'Connor:If you're only sending email to *one* person than I agree,
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If 100 people are notified, the odds of one of them checking their mail within that hour are pretty goodor you would geet 99 people asking to have a check box to get off that list because thier e-mail boxes are getting inundated with 'JOE-JOE is over due' because I forgot to post my log for a week.
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I check my email maybe three times a day and I consisider myself compulsive about it.I don't check my office e-mail that much.
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My daughter (who's five) at one point fell in love with crying wolf, we'd be at the park and she'd climb up onto of the slide and yell "Help!"
Everyone would turn and give her a few seconds of attention.
and then relize it's not thier kid or the child is just looking for attention, then look away and move on with thier life. I too have seen this on the playground with my 4 year old.
And That's what I am afraid of. Everyform of electronic communition is IMHO just another way of brushing someone off until you have time to deal with them. How many people you know look at thier papger/cell phone when it buzzes and say "Oh it's just him/her, I call them later" when they are already doning nothing important or that can't be interupted? How many times have you glanced past a subject line on an e-mail or had one ignored because the recipent is used to seeing the same subject line or from name over and over.
I agree they might get tried of the calls. but itr would be hard for them to ignore when talk to them directly.
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There is a danger that if we all get in the habit of picking up the phone or sending email, that the message will wind up as white noise.
After 20 of such calls I might be less careful about keeping track of time myself.
I guess we agree. but I'd still rather tune thier dials to that annoying scratch then let them leave it on that soothing wave sound.
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I like his idea as well, but (Yes, I'm being sexist again) I can't imagine that the ladies will want it known that they'll be alone in the woods at a given time.You know with comments like that how am I supposed to keep up a healthy life as a stalker.
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QUOTEHope to meet you on the trail someday./QUOTE
can't quite get over the feeling that we're 99% in agreement here.
I came >< that close to heading to Chicago for a friends wake last month, I definitely would have made plans to get together with some local geocachers and probably would have bought you a beer.
I'll keep you in mind next time I find an excuse to head East.
If you don't mind a Mike's instead, you're on.
once again this was not a reply. This was not even here. you were not here. this never happened.
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
[This message was edited by Clan Ferguson on June 19, 2002 at 12:14 PM.]
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Still 2-5 inches is not enough to justify buring in my book. my standard cache container is 5 inches in diameter.
All those areas sound just like beaches. (with much larger grains) so I guess you have a point there.
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If some beginer reads my buried cache, goes out to find it without the equiptment they clearly cannot read and are clearly beginners and will learn I guess.No, beginners are just very ethuistic. and Yes they will learn like we all have, but not before leaving behind the possibility of tarnising the rep of this 'sport' or just opting not to come back to this 'sport (I know, thier loss)
I wasn't refeing to leaving surveying equipment. but most people (including some experienced ones) are unfimilar with how to use the offset feature of thier GPSR.
I wouldn't necessarly wield the 'paid to pillage' statement but I undrstand it's in jest.
I've learned that Geocaching is not necessarly a 'on-my-way to the meeting' thing (done that too). i have since established a good deal of equipment that goes with me every hunt.(none of which are digging equpiment)
so in conclusion
Me - Don't bury at all, not friendly
You - Buring okay, under certain circumstances
Apperently We agree to disagree so maybe we should end it with that.
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
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I would like to make Third on this motion.
But I really like the Blind-copy idea
I would be greatful for a record of who you sent e-mails to.
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
p.s. mental note- always read ALL the posts before replying so you don't have to edit out redunit material.
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Originally posted by Rockdoctors:Actually you wouldn't need one cause it should only be buried 3-5cm for gosh sakes.
Here is exactly why I can't understand the buring thing. 3-5cm?? thats less then 2 inches so why bother digging? 2 inches of twigs and ground debris would be less then noticable(I am assuming the cache container is about this height)
and if you have a tree to measure from aren't there grasses or other surrounding low shurbbery (Nee!) I have hunted caches that were hidden in tall grasses they were harder then those hidden in tree stumps.
As for the tape measure/survey thing thing, I am all for offset caches (hunted a few of those too, in fact i used it in one of my caches, check 2nd stage ) but unless you supply the extra tools required I am afraid that some people (particluary neocachers) would just start rooting around till they found it or until they got fustrated. either way a big impact on the terrain. I have read log entries of people who banged around an area, way too long, searching for a virtual cache because they didn't quite get the concept. I don't always chose a cache to hunt based on the challenge it provides I ussaly go after the one closest to me, this was diffently true for my first cache hunt (tried to do it on my Lunch break June 18, 2001 )
I think most new people are the same.
Last question, other then a beach where is there nothing to hide things near/under that would be not so bad to dig???
p.s. I think I just figured out what is bothering me the most about your statements. The phrase "Unprotected land". not to sound like a overprotective tree hugger but As a geocacher and the 'outdoorsy type' with our 'cache in, trash out' motto, isn't up to us to try and protect all thoses lands in anyway we can?
p.p.s. believe it or not I am enjoying our disscussion and am not sitting here screaming at the monitor as I type. Hope to meet you on the trail someday.
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
[This message was edited by Clan Ferguson on June 19, 2002 at 06:59 AM.]
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Originally posted by Eric O'Connor:I want a way to let people know, but not until they have reason to suspect that something may be wrong.
Last one I promise. Given the Quoted statment above. Can't you see how pointless letting someone via e-mail is? By the time they find out that they would need to suspect that somethings wrong you would either, be out of trouble on your own or in need of a bodybag.
I just think if you are so worried about having a system interlinked to geocaching.com that will inform folks when you are overdue. you should be able to redirect that to get over the 'goofy' feeling and just make the call. besides 'overcautious or paranoid' is better than 'found by hiker, Film at Eleven'
And just so you don't think I'm totally against this concept. I kinda like Clayjar's suggestion. It makes more sense to me.
Hope to meet you on the trail someday.
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
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Originally posted by Eric O'Connor:Many people geocache while on business trips or away from their home area.
And can't check in with a live human via phone? if you have access to e-mail shouldn't you have access to a phone?
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Spouses and buddies aren't always available, and let's face it... SCUBA by it's very nature is just a tad more dangerous than most geocaches.
I am quite aware that buddies/spouses/brother/AA sponsors aren't always available. But going in to unfamilar, un-inhabiated areas alone can be just as dangerous as scuba diving. Anyone living in or around the northen Califonia/Washington/Orgen/Utah area could proabbly tell you that. I just don't care for the concept of hiking with a guardian angel. because I doubt he/she will call an ambulance or air rescue team. sorry but(to paraphrase the bumper sticker) Jesus is not my co-pilot.
And when I go Diving (with a buddy) we make sure someone else knows where we are going and when we will be back. in person ,not via a note of somekind. thats all I am saying.
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
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Originally posted by Rockdoctors:Buried caches should be within the parameters of geocaching. At what point are we restricted to using GPS's??
I was thinking I should add a trench shovel and small pick to my cache pack. Maybe some dynamite and rock drill while I am at it. That should help make it real hard for people to find. we have to up the diffucilty scale to 7 or 8. Besides as long as its 'public' land what does it matter that after 15 finds it should be really hard to find, as it is the only spot of ground where NOTHING has grown and/or has an unusal amount of forest debris on it.
Seriously, I understand 'burying' under leaves and branches. But why must we insit on scaring the earth to hide? (scaring was used to make a point I know you're not out there with a back-hoe) I have found seveal caches with unique qualties that made them darn near impossible to find, when they were standing out right in the open. and these are in an area that has less then intresting geographical features. On a beach I can kinda understand as this soil type is always changing it layout. but anywhere else and you are severaly altering the ecology, digging up a plant that has just started to take root, unearthing animal tunnels or ant hills, exposing tree roots, etc, etc, etc. And the argument of "does just as much damge as people walking in to hunt/hide a cache" doesn't mean you should amplify it by ripping a hole in the ground of any depth. (once again 'ripping a hole' is for effect)
P.S. had anyone bothered to look the cache that started this thread was archived by Admin after reviewing the fact that it was indeed 1)buried and 2)on private land.
Thank you for your time
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
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Originally posted by Rockdoctors:Buried caches should be within the parameters of geocaching. At what point are we restricted to using GPS's??
I was thinking I should add a trench shovel and small pick to my cache pack. Maybe some dynamite and rock drill while I am at it. That should help make it real hard for people to find. we have to up the diffucilty scale to 7 or 8. Besides as long as its 'public' land what does it matter that after 15 finds it should be really hard to find, as it is the only spot of ground where NOTHING has grown and/or has an unusal amount of forest debris on it.
Seriously, I understand 'burying' under leaves and branches. But why must we insit on scaring the earth to hide? (scaring was used to make a point I know you're not out there with a back-hoe) I have found seveal caches with unique qualties that made them darn near impossible to find, when they were standing out right in the open. and these are in an area that has less then intresting geographical features. On a beach I can kinda understand as this soil type is always changing it layout. but anywhere else and you are severaly altering the ecology, digging up a plant that has just started to take root, unearthing animal tunnels or ant hills, exposing tree roots, etc, etc, etc. And the argument of "does just as much damge as people walking in to hunt/hide a cache" doesn't mean you should amplify it by ripping a hole in the ground of any depth. (once again 'ripping a hole' is for effect)
P.S. had anyone bothered to look the cache that started this thread was archived by Admin after reviewing the fact that it was indeed 1)buried and 2)on private land.
Thank you for your time
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
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If you have a GPS. and you should have marked your parking spot. plus be carring a spare set of batteries, not to mention a compass. How do you get lost??
At the very least I keep my House coords in my Etrex. plus I never hit the trail without my compass, spare batteries, an marking the entrence of the trail head. But then again I like to live by the boyscout motto, Always be prepared.
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
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Any responsible scuba diver will tell you, use a buddy. If you're are going in to a situation that may be dangerous either take a friend or Don't go.
Me I wouldn't want my life to be dependant on someone checking thier e-mail. I only check my personal e-mail once a day. and on Weekend I don't check it at all (because I am out Geocaching). So I find this idea of a buddy database a 'false sense of security' thing.
Please find a friend to go with, it's better with friends anyway (no matter what you're doing). or if you INSIST on going alone then at least physically tell someone you're going and how long you should be gone, and not a voice mail or answering machine message, talk to a real live RESPONSILBE human.
Sorry to sound like your parents but I would hate to see someone get hurt doing this. Beside that might give this 'sport' a black mark if someone did get hurt geocaching and it made the 6 o'clock news.
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
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I considered the the washer thing. But I am afaird that the paper and ink will washer off with any cache leakage. But cool idea just the same.
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
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But not all of us are talented enough to make things as nice as totem bags, Kudamas, handmade needlepoint scotty dog , or anyother crafty things. So We turn to whatever else we can muster.
so sorry if it's not to your liking but inthis game it is preety much to Each it's own.
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
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But not all of us are talented enough to make things as nice as totem bags, Kudamas, handmade needlepoint scotty dog , or anyother crafty things. So We turn to whatever else we can muster.
so sorry if it's not to your liking but inthis game it is preety much to Each it's own.
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
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Sorry for the bump.
But thanks to Ponyboy I finished my cache cards. These will be left in addition to trinkets in all my caches from now on and retro-actively.
I would like to thank Ponyboy for the design layout. Thanks again!!!!
The finial card will be 2.5x3 inches with lamination.
This is just a jpeg version. the final is much crisper and more readable.
I think this would be great addition to any Cache treasure collection.
Now I am working on my own version of the Geocacher Trading Card . I really think it would be cool to collect something that is a better repersentation of all of you then a sig in a logbook or some trinket. (execpt of course things like mou10bike's coins or other homemade trinkets)
Due to monatary constraints only the Wooden nickles came in second with a price tag of $75 for 100 tuits.
Thanks again for all the great ideas!!!
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
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If they were made about Bussiness card size..
I was thinking how folks love to use Altoids tins for micros. You would easly be able to fit about 2 dozen cards in a cache of this type.
HMMM....all caches could become micros?? Up go the diff rattings!!!
Just a thought.
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
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This sounds like a great idea!!!
I was kicking this idea around as an alterntive to a GEOCOIN,GEO POKER CHIP, GEO DOGTAGS, and GEO WODDEN NICKELS.
I would prefer the PDF termplate thing though that way you could change it every season/year.
or make the cards reflect not only the cacher but a cache. Ponyboy came up with a design I like Ponyboy's geocard
So Jermey Please keep considering the idea!!!!
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
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If there is a problem with the whole copyright thing shouldn't every one of us who has a Dilbert, Garfield, Love is, Bloom County (Man I miss them), Peanuts, Ziggy, or any other comic strip we love to quote posted on our cubicle,File cabniet, Fridge door, Notebook, or anywhere else we like to stick them for others to share, should be taken down and the offender spanked thoroughly.
Have a nice day.
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
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If you change the fact he is using a metal dector to a GPSR the last frame sums up the life of a cacher.
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
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I know I select caches based on if it would be kid friendly. I know that canoeing is a family oriented thing but managing kids on a cache hunt "I Tired, are we there yet, I don't want walk anymore" is at times tedious enough without have to manage boating safety on top of that.
Now if I can find the time to go it alone. I would be all for it.
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
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Last question
Are you over/under 30 east/west of Mississippi?
I am just really curious who is and where you are play this game.
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
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About how old are you?
I am here in Il, USA in my mid 30s.
I am just really curious who is and where you are play this game.
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
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Where in the country are you from.
I am here in Il, USA in my mid 30s.
I am just really curious who is and where you are play this game.
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
[This message was edited by Clan Ferguson on May 30, 2002 at 06:53 AM.]
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But 10 seconds after reading it it started to sound a little elitist.
So I am for and againgst it at the same time.
Sorry
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
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These are all great Ideas.
I am looking in to the Poker Chip thing. Currently $55 setup with Min order of 50 with chips being about $0.60 a piece. No news on the double logo part though.
Weezer, I emailed you Dog Tags sound Cool too.
I love all the Coins everyone is talking about But Still a little too pricey. and NO personal Logo??
I like the Card Idea. But unless they are in a sealed case don't think they would with stand the abuse of being stuffed in caches. Not to mention if it gets wet.
Ponyboy93, I really like that format. That could be cool for hidden caches. Could I get a template of that card. Would you mind if I used the design??
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
Who ya gonna call ??
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or you would geet 99 people asking to have a check box to get off that list because thier e-mail boxes are getting inundated with 'JOE-JOE is over due' because I forgot to post my log for a week.
I don't check my office e-mail that much.
and then relize it's not thier kid or the child is just looking for attention, then look away and move on with thier life. I too have seen this on the playground with my 4 year old.
And That's what I am afraid of. Everyform of electronic communition is IMHO just another way of brushing someone off until you have time to deal with them. How many people you know look at thier papger/cell phone when it buzzes and say "Oh it's just him/her, I call them later" when they are already doning nothing important or that can't be interupted? How many times have you glanced past a subject line on an e-mail or had one ignored because the recipent is used to seeing the same subject line or from name over and over.
I agree they might get tried of the calls. but itr would be hard for them to ignore when talk to them directly.
I guess we agree. but I'd still rather tune thier dials to that annoying scratch then let them leave it on that soothing wave sound.
You know with comments like that how am I supposed to keep up a healthy life as a stalker.
If you don't mind a Mike's instead, you're on.
once again this was not a reply. This was not even here. you were not here. this never happened.
Cache On!!
James
"Big Dog"
-Clan Ferguson
[This message was edited by Clan Ferguson on June 19, 2002 at 12:14 PM.]