Navdog
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I think "Home of Geocaching World headquarters" helps tell the story a little better of what the coin is about and what's special about the state in the eyes of the geocaching world. It is a global game. Someone who finds a coin in another country may better understand what the coin is trying to present.
From a design point, filling out the outer circle with more text helps frame the inside part of the coin and doesn't look quite as plain.
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Revisions:
-Removed the "the" from headquarters text.
-Added a GPSr to the hiker
-Changed bird to look more like an eagle.
Added a little more relief to the design to approximate the look of the final coin.
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I also think Moun10Bike's point about having a human element in the design is a good one. The hiker is looking out at the landscape and helps tell a bit more of a story about geocaching and what the coin is about - It is a human activity and involves the outdoors. I can add his other arm and a GPSr, but I would think the relief on the coin would need to be right to show the smaller detail. Remember, it is a 1 1/2 inch coin, and the pics of the design we are looking at are larger.
I'll drop the "the" from the headquarters text.
How many colors are allowed for the front of the coin?
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Maybe I'm wrong, but if the guy at the coin place does the numbering by hand, then he probably just uses a twenty dollar numeric metal punch set. An alpha-numeric punch set costs about 40.00 bucks. Maybe there is a group of cachers that would be willing to hand punch the coins from a list of 500 alpha-numeric combinations. One coin every 30 seconds is only about four man-hours. It's not like it's rocket science. I would think only three characters would be needed.
Having the coins track-able on the gc.com site would be pretty special.
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That looks so awesome! Navdog, do you have an extra space between "Home of The" and "Geocaching World Headquarters?" If not, should we adjust the kerning there so that it doesn't look like there is a gap? Also, what do people think about dropping the "the" and making it "Home of Geocaching World Headquarters?"
Lastly, I agree that we should increase the width of the number field. 4 digits plus the leading "WA" should be enough?
I might have an extra space in there from when I flip-flopped the wording. I'll do up another revision tonight when I get home, but it looks like you guys are really close to having an awesome coin!!!
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Just the text changes as mentioned:
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I love them! Put me down for 10!
Only one thing, perhaps you should allow for at least a 4 digit number. If they were personal coins three is probably plenty, but for something with statewide.... possibly nationwide distribution, I have the feeling 999 won't be enough.
I just threw that number scheme in there in response to the discussion of the possibility that gc.com might allow for the tracking of the coins. If not, then a three or four number field would be placed there.
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I have only one little quibble with 10 - shouldn't "Washington" and "The Evergreen State" be switched? As it stands, I read it as "The Evergreen State Washington". As I said it's a little quibble.
I'll try to get the wife to agree to about 20 for me.
I think you could read it both ways, but that is an easy change, and it probably flows better.
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Maybe it's just me...
It seems like "HOME OF" and "HEADQUARTERS" are pretty much the same thing and looks too wordy. Do they both need to be on it?
Either way, I'm down for a dozen or so.
Actually, maybe it should be "Home of the Geocaching World Headquarters"
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Money break down is as follows for design #10:
Antique Silver 100-299 coins = $4.40
This includes the base price of $3.20 per coin + enamel paint both sides (.70 cents, =.35 cents per side) with an epoxy cover on the Rainer side is an additional .50 cents with a grand total of 4.40 per coin not including $100.00 die cost (one time charge) and shipping!
Antique Silver 300-499 coins costs $4.35
Less 15% per Rick at D & R Military Specialties because Pepper drives a hard bargain.
I think you have a choice of enamel or epoxy paint, so there would not be that additional .50 charge for the epoxy on the Rainier side you mentioned above. However, the epoxy paint option for both sides instead of the enamel will hold up much better, especially if folks don't buy the Air-tite containers to protect the coins. M10bike has experience with colored coins so he may have some insight as to which paint would be best.
You might look into getting a volume discount of the Air-tite type containers for folks also.
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That's asking A LOT from a person, it will take lots of spreadsheets, packing / shipping, etc. to organize everything. How does this work in other states where they have a coin?
An event cache helps to distribute a lot of them.
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Another thing - silver (along with the greater use of color) will help distinguish the Washington coins from the other state coins.
Yes, it seems most of the other geocoins are gold.
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More green for the money version.
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With Moun10Bikes coin, having the green on the outside of the one side helps balance the smaller amount of green on the bike, I'm not sure if that is really necessary for the Washington coin, since the green on the state covers a fair amount of the area. I look at both sides and see a nice balance of color and spacing of elements. No need to make it too busy, but if more color on the back will justify the extra cost, then that may be a good argument.
I think in the long run, color on two sides will make a nicer coin. Yes, there may not be quite as many in circulation because of the additional cost, but they will be a much more coveted item.
Shhh! Don't tell anyone down here in Portland,
but I really like the look of this design compared to the Oregon coin. -
Sorry for going a bit off-topic - Navdog, what software do you use for these designs? I use Photoshop when deisgning my coins but am not skilled enough to get the text to wrap around a curve as successfully as you do. Also, I use a gradient for giving the design a metallic look but it doesn't come out looking as "coin-like" as yours. Secrets?
I use Photoshop7, but it doesn't have the ability to write text along a path, so I do the text in Illustrator10 and paste it into the design. The new CS version of Photoshop has this feature though. Hopefully I will get the update soon.
I've been keeping the gloss and relief of the design down so it is a little easier to see the design elements. Obviously the actual coins would be brighter and have more relief. I don't know if there are different levels of relief to choose from, but may be something to consider.
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What were the metal options? I wonder what this would look like in silver...
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#9 looks great!
(broken record) I would like a star for Olympia with some other mark for Seattle. People will think Seattle is the capital of Washington!
How about a flag similar to Oregon's coins?Excellent job!
I think a star to denote Olympia and a mark for the headquarters in Seattle may be confusing to most people. A flag tilted a little not get lost in the water area of the outline may be good for the HQ location.
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I've been working with a 7x13 inch 300dpi high resolution image for the coins, so the final design image will be available for other uses, such as cafepress items, if anyone wants to have fun with it.
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A revision with recent lines of thinking and the idea that they could be tracked on the gc.com site. I replaced the custom engraving area with a mint date. Added a star near Seattle. I think this may help folks understand the wording about the headquarters and also show where it actually is. Just food for thought.
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Thanks Moun10Bike, I was going to bring the color option up after a final design was decided upon. Especially the idea of some green in the design. Although the coloring adds to the price of the coin, it does add a dynamic aspect to the look.
The Oregon geocoins are nice, but they were stamped in a shiny brass? and require the plastic Air-tite containers to keep them shiny.
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Here is a slightly different version of the front I thought I would throw out.
I loaded the back up with a few recent suggestions and some text so you could get a feel for all the options to place elements on the current layout.
I tend to like #5 for the back design as it allows you to promote the gc.com location and keeps all that info in the same spot, so it is tied together, and still leaves you the outer ring free for additional text.
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Not sure where you were thinking of the placement of the "the capital" text idea. I also included the bottom one as food for thought.
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Edit: Numbered samples to help identify.
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I'm liking the idea of taking away the little two little geo squares in the rim and replacing the star with one of those. Getting rid of the big geo square and making room for something that would make the dry side happy!
These are just some thoughts.
Text for the state side: any idea folks?
You could leave the inside of the coin as is, and come up with a saying for the outside ring that acknowledges both the west side and east side of the state.
"From the ocean to the desert..."
Conversly, some text that joins the two sides of the state in the outline, and the www.geocaching.com/additional text on the outside of the ring.
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The original image for the back was in response to some comments about a nod to the gc.com site. This follows through with that line of thought. It's probably good to at least have the website somewhere on the coin to identify what the coin is about.
Filling the state outline with something balances the design and still allows you the complete outside ring for some text.
Another option is to fill the outline of the state with a quote of some sort and put the website address along the ring on the outside on the top and some additional text along the bottom of the ring.
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but I really like the look of this design compared to the Oregon coin.
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Dang... you need to make a commercial out of that. Nicely done. Looks like a great hike. Kinda brings home the idea of...
"It is good to have an end to journey toward, but it is the journey that matters in the end."