AngelPick
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A bit of common sense by all really but hides in graveyards should be a big NO, it does't seem right somehow.
Sorry to waffle on but it needs to be said. I certainly will not be asking people to enter church grounds in the future, all clues will be visible from the outside!
Surely this is just a personal perspective. I have no issues with caches in graveyards. I would have no wish to be buried in a place which excluded everyday living folk and I wouldn't wish for any close friends or relatives to be buried in such a place.
If you don't like caches in graveyards don't do them but please don't foist your views onto others.
I'm not foisting my views on anyone, just participating in a forum. My views are valid as are anyones but thats all they are, my personal views.
Sorry if my reply has caused offence. Your statement that "hides in graveyards should be a big NO" seemed rather absolute to me. I think it's great to have caches that encourage people to visit graveyards and churches and that it's a real shame to discourage such hides.
Whilst I believe that as individuals we should have subtly different standards of behaviour in and around churches and graveyards, I'd hate to see them treated as off-limits or made subject to extra rules or restrictions. I understand the reasoning behind the decision by a hard pressed reviewer to require proof of permission for graveyard caches a large part of me says that if this is considered necessary for one type of location then maybe it's necessary for all caches. It seems very sad to apply different restrictions to church/graveyard caches, are they really so radically different from the many other areas that a cache could be hidden in?
Tim
Just a personal view, sorry if it came over differently, but that's all it was.
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My latest Church Micro involved walking 3m into the church grounds to get some numbers, no where near any graves but the moderator has told me he cannot publish because it involves a waypoint that is just over the wall surrounding the church, no physical cache just a waypoint. This misunderstanding has now been resolved to all parties satisfaction, as peeved as I was at the time I am glad someone was watching closely and I do appreciate the reviewers are volunteers which is maybe why we should be more careful with our hides.
I'm a little mystified by this comment. Are you saying that your cache was disallowed because a NON-PHYSICAL waypoint was in the churchyard? And are you saying that it was only published after you convinced the reviewer that the information could be obtained from OUTSIDE the graveyard?
That is not the interpretation I put on Deceangi's original statement (the statement I wholeheartedly endorsed).
Or are you saying that he allowed your cache when you explained that the waypoint inside the graveyard was NOT physical?
I believe (hope) AP meant your second 'theory' Mr H - cache allowed once it was explained it was a non-physical stage in the churchyard! I agree though that the point wasn't immediately obvious!
I wonder if this misunderstanding (which I assume was it it was) relates to the use of Additional Waypoints, and which of the multitude of options to use for various types of stages - but thats a whole different thread! sorry!
Can I clarify, I was a bit miffed off when I posted my original message so may not have been a coherent and structured one that came across. I believe the reviewer thought that I had a physical hide on church grounds. Once I explained that it was a waypoint to a clue he/she relented. I also explained the clue was only a few metres inside the churchyard. If it had been 25 metres inside the churchyard I don't know what the answer would have been. As I read it in the cold light of day, sensible clue locations would be allowed, physical hides would be scrutinised and owners permission required. I've set a couple of Church Micros and found dozens of them and they have all been "respectful" of the church and it's residents.
Hope that helps?
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You can usually garner numbers off of noticeboards around the church for use as clues
Notices change more rapidly than the gravestones!
Means the cache placer has to keep an eye on things...
Agreed, any good cache hider would do maintenance on all his caches, this would of course include checking clues. The main reason all of my caches are within a few km of my house. Apart from the one in Redhill, but that is where I work - solved
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A bit of common sense by all really but hides in graveyards should be a big NO, it does't seem right somehow.
Sorry to waffle on but it needs to be said. I certainly will not be asking people to enter church grounds in the future, all clues will be visible from the outside!
Surely this is just a personal perspective. I have no issues with caches in graveyards. I would have no wish to be buried in a place which excluded everyday living folk and I wouldn't wish for any close friends or relatives to be buried in such a place.
If you don't like caches in graveyards don't do them but please don't foist your views onto others.
I'm not foisting my views on anyone, just participating in a forum. My views are valid as are anyones but thats all they are, my personal views.
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As someone who has been bitten today by these new rules (or enforcing of existing ones) can I add my twopenneth please. You can usually garner numbers off of noticeboards around the church for use as clues, no entry to the churchyard should be required. The cache can then be hidden away from the church grounds. Common sense - no? If the cacher chooses to visit and walk around the churchyard that is his/her perogative (spl). My latest Church Micro involved walking 3m into the church grounds to get some numbers, no where near any graves but the moderator has told me he cannot publish because it involves a waypoint that is just over the wall surrounding the church, no physical cache just a waypoint. This misunderstanding has now been resolved to all parties satisfaction, as peeved as I was at the time I am glad someone was watching closely and I do appreciate the reviewers are volunteers which is maybe why we should be more careful with our hides.
I have visited some beautiful churches thanks to the Church Micro series (many thanks Sadexpoloration) which I would never have visited without Geocaching and we always walk around these churchyards after finding the cache.
Hiding caches in graveyards does not seem right, asking people to look at gravestones for clues is OK as long as the cacher behaves and watches his step. Surely there should be some guidance on the locations of gravestones to be used, always ones near the path making it uneccasary to clamber over graves.
I believe it is up to the hider to choose where he wants people to go to collect clues, always using easily accessible spots. The searcher should be made aware of the fact that he should not need to leave footpaths in the hiders notes.
A bit of common sense by all really but hides in graveyards should be a big NO, it does't seem right somehow.
Sorry to waffle on but it needs to be said. I certainly will not be asking people to enter church grounds in the future, all clues will be visible from the outside!
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Try the GAGB for a list of people you can contact. Lots of helpful info on their website.
Thanks everyone.
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Well Hello all
Awhile back I read somewhere that a list of "agencies" that allow or disallow caches to be placed on there land exists. Can't find the link now. Can someone point me in the right direction please?
Nick
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A cache is a cache to me. Living in SW London/NE Surrey, we are surrounded by muggles and concrete! Try placing a cache round here and it will be muggled in days if not hours. Church Micros take you to some very nice churches, Side Tracked Micros are something to do to and from work. I love finding a well stocked cache in a scenic area, not possble round here though. I have hunted some very well placed micros in woods and urban areas alike. If you don't like micros, ignore them, if you live in an urban area you don't have a lot of choice!
I have not placed any caches yet but have identified about 6 likely places within 1k of my flat, all micros, through necessity (spelling). If I wanted to place a regular/large I'd have to travel some distance and as I don't drive or have a bike, maintainig them will be a problem.
Live and let live, if you don't like them, ignore them but take into account the location, we may have had no choice!!!
Nanos, now thats another story...
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New to this lark. have a question, searched the net and browsed this site for a handheld GPS. OMG, how many exist!!!
So, where does a newbie start, obviously don't want to spend a fortune but what is the best GPS for someone like me?
Pretend we don't know someone like you, and describe what you intend to do with the GPSr. This will help the thread along.
Got loads of Caches near my home and work but can't really start looking for them yet.
Many people find caches using Google Maps or similar.
Ever tried searching suburban London without a GPS? Google Maps is good but the difference between seeing it on a map and finding that location?
Thanks anyway
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New to this lark. have a question, searched the net and browsed this site for a handheld GPS. OMG, how many exist!!!
So, where does a newbie start, obviously don't want to spend a fortune but what is the best GPS for someone like me?
Got loads of Caches near my home and work but can't really start looking for them yet.
Any help appreciated please.
Welcome to the Forums!
You didn't say what you budget is . . . And, I'm not sure how much a Garmin Legend HCx or Vista HCx would be over there, but those are excellent GPS units that you can use for Geocaching, as well as for auto-routing, with the optional maps installed.
If you don't want to spend that much, check out the other 'H' units on Garmin's comparison page. Some of the less-expensive models connect with the Serial Port which is fine, if your computer has one. But, if you have a newer computer that doesn't have a Serial Port, you might want to make sure that whatever GPSr you choose connects with USB.
Another question I have is, How important is it to have an sd card. Is 24 mb built in enough ?
zane
Budget £100 unless I can get it as a birthday present
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New to this lark. have a question, searched the net and browsed this site for a handheld GPS. OMG, how many exist!!!
So, where does a newbie start, obviously don't want to spend a fortune but what is the best GPS for someone like me?
Got loads of Caches near my home and work but can't really start looking for them yet.
Any help appreciated please.
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