CheekyBrit

I have another unholy union of themes that keeps running through my head: a challenge of challenges of challenges. I doubt it is publishable but I gotta share the idea: A string of challenges where they qualify the next one in the sequence but they bear super rare features so it essentially becomes a bonus cache string of challenges. EG: Challenge one: Find at least 5 challenge caches in each of 5 states. This cache itself is in a nordic center and requires XC skis. Challenge two: Find challenge caches of at least 40 different D/Ts. This cache itself is in a nordic center and requires XC skis. Challenge three: Find at least 2 caches with both the 'requires XC skis' and the 'challenge' attributes. This cache itself is underwater, requiring scuba equipment Challenge four: Find at least 5 challenge caches at each of 5 different sizes (micro, small, regular, large, other, not chosen). This cache itself is in a tree and requires tree climbing. Challenge five: Find challenge caches that were hidden on at least 100 different days of the year. This cache itself is in a tree and requires tree climbing. Challenge six: Find at least 2 caches with both the 'tree climbing' and challenge' attributes. This cache itself is underwater, requiring scuba equipment Challenge seven: Find at least 2 caches that have both the 'requires scuba equipment' and 'challenge' attributes. The issues with this could be: My reviewer's head exploding... again. Sorry. There not being enough qualifying caches in the nearby area, so I'd need to hide a bunch of each type There not being enough people that qualify for each challenge. So I'd need to build them in layers, 1, 2, 4, and 5 first and once friends/others find them, move on to phase 2 (3 and 6). 1____3__ 2__/ \ 7 4____6__/ 5__/

That multi checker is great. Thank you for sharing predator1337. That needed found date feature is excellent. The challenge checker works really well, especially with the size titles you mentioned. Good to know that I can do a temporary challenge checker. To figure the letterbox finds by 'hidden date' portion it sounds like I'll have to make a temporary checker.

OK I'm building new challenges such as a requirement to find a letterbox on 90 different days of the year, doesn't matter what year your finds are, just the day and month. -->How do you go about seeing your progress on the 365 calendar chart of finds by found date for a specific type or size? <-- Once the challenge checker is built, it's a piece of cake, just use the checker. Before that I can't seem to figure it out on my geocaching profile page or on GSAK (geocaching swiss army knife) using a macro (I don't know how to build them and can't yet find a suitable macro). I can't seem to find a way to do this on project-gc.com either. I could design the challenge checker, see where I'm at and then have the checker building volunteers adjust the required parameters after I see my progress but that is adding to their already steep workload. Sure I could grab a paper calendar and manually mark the dates as I go down the list but that is super slow and I'm doing this for a bunch of different settings. I'm planning in the future to do other types of geocache, various sizes, and also branching into the 'finds by hidden date' chart.

I love how the internet allows for absurdly niche topic discussion. Gentlemen, Ladies, thank you for taking this idea and running with it. My reviewer will be so glad I'm not doing any of these combinations, just thinking about them. Just like my challenge of challenges that are themselves challenges of challenges idea. A meta meta challenge that just doesn't work. You could do one layer - require X challenge attributes..... but I don't know how to add a layer. I definitely don't know how to add a letterbox stamp and Wherigo cartridge using munzee stages, open geocaching stages, and all as a bonus of a series of T1 wheelchair accessible scuba caches.

Terrain is often irrelevant to the challenge. In trying to be more of a purist, my wife and I put our challenges on mountain trails and summits to bump up the real life terrain to match what we want to list them as. I'm sure it might disappoint the park and cache challenge cache collectors but if it gets more people on these awesome trails, it was worth it.

My geocaches with gifs in the geocache description page still work. @kaboutererwhen you say 'listing' is that the geocache description page or something else?

That is exactly what I was/am thinking. Those weird combos are the ones I tend to try and build to help my friends with their challenge, to mix up what is available on the gameboard, and for the fun. They tend to be rare types, high terrain, or high difficulty (and I make them genuine). I have set up a handful of rock climbing or rappelling ones for friends to help them finish a challenge and they are some of my favorite ones I've placed. I love doing maintenance on them.

Another challenge I tried doing that got denied: Coordinate bingo. Use the last two digits of the west coordinate of geocaches you've found and find 00 up through 99. This is like park run bingo where runners try to finish with 00 seconds through 59 seconds for their final time - that's a lot of races ran. You could do a similar challenge with the north coordinate and one with the last of each. It failed on the custom area rule. Picture the last one you need, for example a geocache with 99 as the final two: N??°??.?99 - that's totally a custom area, many many bands around the planet that you need to find within. Fun idea to kick around though.

OK, update on the 'bigger better' challenge. https://project-gc.com/Challenges/GC9XA74/71643 The bigger better challenge I tried to create turned out to be unpublishable. The determination was it was a bit too confusing. I'm sure someone else could word it better than me. Current submission is below. The other issue is HQ wants challenges to be checkable manually as well as with the checker. So even though the checker spits out the answer instantly, they want people to be able to do it by hand and that's really hard - quite a bookkeeping task. But the challenge checker is awesome. Check it out! Submitted cache page: Like the childhood trading game of 'bigger better', you are trying to find a group of at least geocaches that are bigger or better than each other. Date found is not a factor so this is not time limited in any way. The sequence of your finds is also not a factor - find them in whichever order you wish. We are using difficulty, terrain, type, and size as our categories. To add to your qualifying group a geocache has to increase in at least one of the four categories, but cannot decrease in any of them. You need a group of at least 20, but up to 26 is possible. For difficulty and terrain, it is easy to grasp, 1 is the lowest and 5 is the highest. For size we need to exclude the virtual size caches not chosen micro small other regular large And for type, in order of getting 'better' and excluding ones without 'size' we have: traditional cache multi cache mystery cache letterbox cache Wherigo cache Here is an example of a qualifying group. There are a few places another geocache could be added, such as a Difficulty 1.5 terrain 1.5 size not chosen traditional. I highlighted in green each time one of the categories increases. You'll notice none of the categories get smaller as you go down the chart. The chart is only organized smallest to biggest for visual clarity, these geocaches could have been found in any date/sequence order. You can use this challenge checker below to see if you qualify. It was made by bmuzzin. It is possible to score up to 26 in this game and I currently qualify with a score of 22.

YES! I'm glad you brought that up though. Without the maintenance side of cache ownership, things get lame for everyone really fast. I spend more time on maintenance than on finding these days but it is worth it. A lot of the geocaches I have placed were done through guessing and predicting what those near me would want/need for challenges or based off their favorite pointing. Then I'd craft an idea from that starting point. This would have me doing the same process but without the guessing.

I am in concensus with what was said. I had a full fizzy until someone changed a rating slightly. A little irritating, but I'm sure it matched the new situation at GZ. I have an early cache I made where the D and T were accidentally flipped. So a rare High terrain Multi attracted a handful of out of towners. Instead of fixing the rating and ruining their journey out to Pocatello I'm archiving and making it anew with the correct rating.

There are lots of prizes for finding a geocache - the fun you had, the memories, the physical SWAG inside you can trade with, a rare size/type/DT, but I'm pondering releasing a new reward: To all who find this geocache (or geocache series) they can request a geocache to be made to their desired specs: size, type, difficulty, terrain, and attributes. I'd still be making it near to where I live, but I recon that'd be super helpful for people working on challenges. Of course as with all geocaches the ratings, size and such would have to be accurately reflected by what is hidden. A scuba attribute would need a genuine underwater stage. What are your thoughts on this? Is this improper bribery? Is it amoral? It isn't in play yet but I'm working on it.

This is a total bookkeeping task purely for curiosity and competition. Within project-gc.com under profile stats is the challenge tab (for profiles of paying members). On there is a D/T grid of challenge caches (challenge grid) and it's an awesome goal to work towards since it is a goal of goals (challenges). It took me 2384 geocaches to finish the challenge grid https://project-gc.com/Statistics/ProfileStats?profile_name=CheekyBrit&getprofile=Get+profile#Challenges and it got me thinking how few it could be done in. How few total geocaches could someone finish their challenge grid? As secondary goals, trying to complete it in a short space of time and with minimal travel (so not just constant back to back caches in different continents). I recon someone could do it in less than 500 but it'd be cool if it could be done in less than 100 total.

YES!!!! The Earthcache and virtual fizzy! I'm working on filling as many fizzies as I can (sizes and types), same with the 366 calendar. 2023 I want to build a chartbusters challenge series. Another DT loop for sure. I love the high terrain and difficulty ones and focusing on quality over quantity. Unqualified challenges too, especially GC3YBQW "Challenge: 5 5 5 5 5". I have a few unpublished series that need some work. One is the star wars series (Rae holding using Ochi's dagger to find the Sith wayfinder.) Hiding some more earthcaches for sure. Pocatello has become a bit of a one stop shop for filling your alphabet in traditionals, multis, and letterboxes. I should branch out into earthcaches. My last 2 cheeky goals are to keep my streak going through September 4th, making me the 2nd longest streaker in Idaho. But the BEST PART is filling my challenge fizzy (a D/T grid of only challenges, found on project-gc's challenge tab) and encouraging some friends to do the same, so we can prank/encourage some of the greatest players in the world that don't have this finished yet, implying they are new to the game and need encouragement.

I'm working on a Wherigo cartridge that would take you from the posted coordinates to the second stage. From there, another stage takes you to the final. I'm fairly sure this is kosher since I've finished some cartridges in the historically significant site and had final coordinates pop up on the screen. I just wanted to clarify if that was ok if you did so where the final coordinates don't come from the cartridge itself. (This is a different Wherigo from the star wars one or the bonus Wherigo in case you follow my other topics).

OK, here's the plan. I've got a series of geocaches following the plot of a movie. Each one thus far is individually available but are more fun in a sequence; no bonus caches yet so no daisy chain issues. QUESTION 1: The next one in the series is to have a Wherigo cartridge. I was hoping to use the previous one as a bonus cache with mission critical information on the side of it. The stage supporting the bonus cache has the final container of a sith wayfinder so you can see the importance of using what you find there for the next one. The rules state these clashing concepts: 2.5 Wherigo Caches can have different designs that overlap with other cache types. If a cache uses a Wherigo cartridge, it is considered a Wherigo cache. 2.17. A bonus cache is a MYSTERY CACHE for which you have to find clues in other caches. So if someone tried to build a bonus cache with a Wherigo cartridge, the type would both have to be a mystery and have to be a Wherigo. Does that mean you need to just not build such a hybrid? Should it be a Wherigo? Should it be a mystery? I truly don't know. No photos yet, prototype needs work. QUESTION 2: Can you have a challenge cache be a bonus cache? The posted coordinates have to be known as per challenge rules, sure, but perhaps there is a padlock code you need. I'm guessing this is a hard pass, but worth an ask. Again, this would have to be a 'no daisy chain' situation.

On the weaksauce end of illegal or inappropriate objects to be inside a geocache, I found one last week that had some cigarettes and tampons inside. It looked like muggle interference because the last to log was far too noble for that chicanery.

Gotta love that NFC (near field communication) tech in most new phones. My samsung A42 works a charm with any chirp app. I use Chirp Wolf but as long as the phone has the tech, most apps will do it. There really aren't that many wireless beacon caches. I've put one out and plan to do more of different types. Thus far I have a wifi network name one but I want to do a true CHIRP and a radio station one.

Seeing things like this and tearing down statues, my Dad asked me if there is a word to describe "judging past events through the lense of today". He thought he had invented a new word concept but turns out it is "presentism". I don't know if presentism contributed toward these stones being torn down but it made me go "huh".

This doesn't help the discussion. Ignore me if you want. I opened this thread thinking it'd be lifting the lid on how people cheat, sharing trade secrets, location faking software, how to armchair log and get away with it, all that jazz. I was ready to be shocked and appauled but also curious on the HOW, not on the mimicking. I was PLEASANTLY SURPRISED it was about dealing with other cheaters and helping the integrity of the game. Sure it doesn't hurt me if another armchair logs, but it sure does irk. This topic may have been covered A LOT but it still is kinda nice to see people care about the integrity of the game and that I'm not alone in the irking sensation of the armchair loggers.

There is a large letterbox on a rope in tree in my front yard. It went up 3 months after the most recent google street view. Just missed the window.

I completely agree with you. I also recon with good planning and effort you can do both. It is hard to do but possible to have a great outdoors experience with something that couldn't be done with a regular cache that ALSO fills a hole in the grid. That was the driving philosophy over the caches I built for about a year (thought they weren't virtuals). I tend to get a high proportion of finders giving favorite points but much better, I get pretty detailed long logs on them. All of them have been a real pain to design, build, and maintain though. Higher quality comes at a price I guess.

I hear you. A lot of my geocaches are there because I had an idea come to me and I cannot get it out of my head until it is built. This goes for puzzles, but also GeoArt, Containers, mini games, all of it. And that is the best part of geocaching for me. Sure I like going to cool areas but sharing them with someone is better and being a CO lets you do that en masse. Best example: one of my chess puzzle caches ends in a cave amidst a jump intense mountain biking area.

Slot canyon? Yes please.

Love some claustrophobia.