klaus23

I think all of this raises a bigger question... how much can the individual cacher be trusted with the "must obtain permission" specification, and also, "how much do the approvers/reviewers/moderators actually approve/review/moderate". Now don't all have a go at me for bucking the status quo, but consider what I have said.

A quick Google will reveal all... it's on one of the Scottish island ferries. Several searches by this experienced Googler based o nthe picture found nothing. Stick it in inverted commas... you'll return this

A quick Google will reveal all... it's on one of the Scottish island ferries.

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Surely even the worst writer can manage "Thanks for a great cache. TNLN." which is better than no log at all. Cache owners don't get much reward for placing a cache. The least you can do is log your visit online to thank them. Easy, Tiger. It's a hypothesis, not my own opinion. And you left out two other points I made - a) anonymity and shyness, not to mention these threads about "short logs". And at the end of the day, if they don't have to log, then it's their choice. I agree with what you are saying - I also think that people should log their finds on the website, but what's the point in getting excited about it?

After viewing the St.George's Day Event thread, I thought I'd share this one with you. It's a group photo from an event cache held in Ireland on Saturday. Standing, L to R: Wuthered, Deborah (Ms.Madrarua), The Windsockers, Klaus23, Johnny Cache, Donnacha, Madrarua, Dino, Fjon, Marcus in Kerry, Ina (Ms. Marcus in Kerry) Crouching, L to R: Edel (Mrs. Bridge Bandit), Wildlifewriter, ClaireP (Wuthered Jr.) Missing: Harry (The Bridge Bandit) - he's taking the photo - of course!

This might be a complete thread hijack... I just noticed that one of the last finders on that cache had picked up Sue's Shoe. Oddly enough, last summer I left that TB on the highest mountain in Ireland - see log here. It's a small world

Thanks for the work done! Nice to put names with faces.

Edited by whom? LMAO In my defence, she's in Bristol at the moment, while I'm sitting here in Galway, Ireland... this once, I'm not under the thumb. However, she was reading this thread last night and was not impressed. Anyway, back to the subject... A good example I know of a non-logger is a geocacher here by the name of Kyle. He's a good friend of Donnacha's, and a veteran hillwalker and member of the Wicklow Mountain Rescue. He has visited most of the caches in the greater Dublin and Wicklow area, but never logged them, because he just was not bothered. Lately, having become more and more involved in the community, he's logging his caches after visiting them, and is stopping by caches previously visited to sign the book again and register the find on the website. So for him, it was the community involvement that got him to pay greater attention to the logging side of things. I'll throw out two reasons why I think people may not log online. One is that they might want to, odd as it does seem, preserve their anonymity. They can browse gc.com all they want, visit caches and never have to tell anyone. Some people are just like that, and I respect their wishes and attitudes. Another one is that you may find people may be poor spellers or consider themselves no good at doing even a small writeup. My own brother, Johnny Cache is a good example. His spelling is fine, but he's just not bothered in writing more than two or three lines. I also think that occasional threads along the lines of "better logs please, TNLN just won't do" do more harm than good, as people who might already be considering giving up logging could see this aimed at them. Personally I find it very easy to write lengthy logs - providing the cache visited merits one, as I have been writing prose, poetry and short stories since I was young, and have had a reasonable amount published. But I can also see (if my own hypothesis has a degree of truth in it), why people may not want to.

Klaus, If you're celebrating, or feeling fairly well-off (it's not cheap), try the excellent (Italian-influenced) food at The Walnut Tree (Llanddewi Skirrid, half a mile from the parking for Skirrid Fawr). We had a memorable meal there a few years ago - one of the best inn/restaurants in Britain (not too posh either...)! The Black Mountains are superb walking country - but you need to set up a few caches there as it's full of potential (but only 2 caches!). HH. It took me a while to find the right website... there are lots of Walnut Tree hotels, inns and pubs. I was looking at this one, not realising it was in Kent, and wondering what Steamed Bacon Pudding had to do with Italy LOL Anyway, I found the right one - and I'm impressed. I will keep it in mind. It's not extremely steep, I think you could get away with £60 for two people - but if the yellow Ferrari outside the place on the website is anything to go by, perhaps it's not the place to be stingy! Hopefully I'll get up there as much as I can in over the summer, there's nothing like an uncached countryside.

I'd be slightly opposed to a power trail of that size... unless it was a really special or spectacular walk. But don't let that put you off. I do think it leans towards the "because we can" school of cache placement - while at the same time, I would be torn between opposition and the prospect of 20 finds. Arrgh... it's a conundrum

My girlfriend has a gc.com account and was initially very keen on logs and sharing photos, but now she just enjoys the diversions and walks in nice places and doesn't bother with the logs at the end of the day. She's never really given a reason for the slight change in practice, but I guess she finds the whole write-up thing tedious, and finds it's best left to me.* *while she's off cooking after the day's walking (*ducks*) (edited for spelling)

I think you need to speak to Stuey as he lives in East Devon and has done most, if not all of the caches in the area. I can't... I'm afraid of Ozzy

I went through a terrible patch there for the past three months... but like everything, given time, it'll come back. What I would recommend is tackling a cache near somewhere you always wanted to go, or doing a really tough puzzle cache. The higher the sense of achievement, the more motivation you'll gain from it. Don't worry, the addiction will return.

I'd say that Pen-y-fantastic is out for the moment, I'm not that keen on a mountain virtual - unless it's Scafell Pike Anyone got any recommendations for Exmoor/Devon? I need to go down to Ilfracombe to look at a boat for my uncle.

Thank you so much for the recommendations - however, it is this one that caught my eye, if for nothing else than the pub mentioned on the cache page. As you might have guessed from my avatar, I do love old pubs.

I have had my eye on this one too, not just for the interesting history that is associated with the area, but also because I have done all but two of alan g's excellent caches in the greater Bristol area, and he does place some crackers. Unfortunately I have never had the opportunity to meet and thank him, but hopefully that will change in the coming months.

If you just wait for another month or so you might be pleasantly surprised (if you like virtuals and locationless caches). No details available yet but changes are afoot! It's the new server/site... oh do spill the beans

bump Planning is at an advanced stage (yep, I got roped in eventually) and this is just to make some of the newer members aware of this planned event. Expect an announcement on this with more detailed plans sometime early next week.

Just wondering if anyone had any recommendations for caches in Exmoor or the Brecon Beacons? I might go and do one or two on Sunday as I'm in Bristol for a couple of days. When I say "walkers" recommendations, I must confess that I'll be walking with my girlfriend. It is well known that I would climb or scramble up any mountain, but what I'm looking for is a cache with a good way-marked trail and a gentle or reasonable incline, as she can be rather picky and will give out if it is not to her liking. It's very odd... she constantly talks about diets, gyms, dancing videos, etc, but when it actually comes to physical activity in the open air (no sniggering), she seems strangely opposed to it. Distance in the walk isn't a problem. And if you know of a good (real ale or scrumpy selling) pub nearby, even better. Of course, if you of a nice walk in the south-west or south Wales please don't be shy. I have had my eye on caches in the Wye Valley (near Tintern Abbey) for some time so if you had those in mind, I'm onto them! (edited for spelling)

With the pint of Guinness? Excellent!

For those two shots, and with everyone's consent, is there any chance of getting an L to R rundown of geocaching handles? I for one would be very interested in putting faces to names. Good to hear the event went well.

Ah - I did indeed forget to state the obvious! This is very important!!! Of course it is ideal to take a bug towards its destination, but it's considered bad form to take it away from it. However, don't be afraid to apply logic. For example, I often come across TBs in Ireland wanting to go to the US, and I take them to Bristol, knowing they might get to Heathrow very quickly. Seems to work for me.

I see nothing wrong with this, in fact, I do it regularly prior to frequent trips to England and further afield Travelbugs are, by definition and name, meant to travel, and if that's what you're helping them do, then I see nothing wrong with it.