Kanto

_______________________________________________ Someone posted something about Letterboxes... ...and I've found the thing that relates to this topic thread. Virtual Letterboxes = "NETCaches" NOTE: After going to the link, read down to the second paragraph of the section titled: "Should I Carve, Comission..." Thanks. ________________________________________________________ Kanto Temple Kung Fu "If you know about truth, tell me of it. If not, then I will search with you, together, in order to find it." -Grandmaster Simon ________________________________________________________

_______________________________________________ Hello, Points taken for those who CAN leave the computer and go for a hike. Still, there are those who cannot...perhaps if those house-bound people receive newspapers or magazines, there can be Caches or Virtualcaches hidden in those publications...? And is this thread enough to "run in up the flagpole" or is there some other way, (other than a poll) here on the site to that? Thanks. ________________________________________________________ Kanto Temple Kung Fu "If you know about truth, tell me of it. If not, then I will search with you, together, in order to find it." -Grandmaster Simon ________________________________________________________

_______________________________________________ Hello, This may lead to nothing or something, but it has potential nonetheless !! IDEA: IF there is no name for the ravaging of Geocaches, then let this Poll be the humble beginings of a useful term. QUESTION: What best captures the act of ravaging Geocaches? Thanks. ________________________________________________________ Kanto Temple Kung Fu "If you know about truth, tell me of it. If not, then I will search with you, together, in order to find it." -Grandmaster Simon ________________________________________________________

_______________________________________________ HI, I won't be getting a GPS, or a car, for a long time, so that I expect will make it interesting. I have to fix my bicycle before I go Geocaching locally. Perhaps a term for ravaging a cache can be "Geocraching" or "Geocrashing" I feel a Poll coming on...hahaha ...it is late... ...and the welcome is appreciated! I hope I can find something or hide something soon, so that I stop posing as a Geocacher... Thanks. ________________________________________________________ Kanto Temple Kung Fu "If you know about truth, tell me of it. If not, then I will search with you, together, in order to find it." -Grandmaster Simon ________________________________________________________

_______________________________________________ HI, You're right. This is why I asked about NETCache and I did not use the term GeoCache, specifically, in part, for the reasons you stated, and mainly, for the reason that NETCache iherently implies that you'll find it on the NET. As far as being a practical thing, and being accepted. It may not have much chance, as you say...but I think the NETCaches may only be restricted to puzzle-type Caches. Also, if someone just loves the idea of treasure hunting, who is somehow physically not able to go and do it...the NETCache may be a good thing for those people. Perhaps it will be yet another distraction at work...although these message boards take less time to zip through, at work you may claim to be researching, when you're really NETCaching...??? Just how probable is it? Also, the Prefix "GEO" means: "Of the Earth" or "Representing the Earth". Therefore, if the Internet indeed is a Network, a GRID, that spans the globe, then are there some other reasons why a NETCache cannot be classified as a type of GEOCache? Worry not, it's just a thought. Thanks. ________________________________________________________ Kanto Temple Kung Fu "If you know about truth, tell me of it. If not, then I will search with you, together, in order to find it." -Grandmaster Simon ________________________________________________________

_______________________________________________ Hello, I thought even though someone in these message boards has a quote in their signature truthfully saying something similar to: "I have never learned anything from anyone I ever agreed with." To build on this important idea... ...in the end, I think, it is a cycle of disagreement and agreement that brings the best results. You must exhaust as many options as possible before choosing one or two. In the very long term, I don't think we have to worry about being bored out of knowing too much, having done everything, and agreeing on two much. There is so much CHANGE happening, that we may never keep up...or keep up just fast enough, so that we have a balance between disagreement and agreement. The balance changes. Anyway, I personally like to agree with people, as it shows we have learned something from each other, because what we agree on is really something that is built from what he had previously disagreed about. There are other possibilities also. SO, in the hopes that we come to some agreement...and fully knowing that we are always part of nature (in the most general sense)... 1-Ultimately, Geocaching as it is today will have negligble effect on the environment. 2-Geocaching has the potential to do much more harm than it has so far. (attracting the use of harmful vehicles in order to find caches...one example among many indirect effects) (There are different types of causes and effects: human cause, ecological effects, machine cause, etc..) 3a-There will always be those who try their best at being conciencely responsible (not intuitively responsible, like all other life on the planet). 3b-There will always be those who help preserve what their disturb, moderately. 3c-There will always be those who plow right on through and take no conscience responsibility. 4-The root of any behaviour is attitude. 5-The root of any attitude is another topic entirely, but related. 6-Please, add more to the list of things here that we may all agree on, or change the existing ones so they may be more accurate. I hope this helps somebody. Thanks. ________________________________________________________ Kanto Temple Kung Fu "If you know about truth, tell me of it. If not, then I will search with you, together, in order to find it." -Grandmaster Simon ________________________________________________________

_______________________________________________ Hello, quote:Originally posted by nincehelser:Give it up, RK. You're wrong. The original post of 360 is based on an age-old flawed argument that has been used to justify wrong-doing for ages. I just pointed that out. The idea is flawed in some situations, but not all. Now for some other possibilities... Some would use the idea to justify wrong-doing (as defined by anyone). Some would use the idea for finding truth. Some would use the idea for supporting another idea...and in the end make some positively or negatively useful action with it. Some would use the idea for whatever else. quote:Originally posted by nincehelser:Also, it is that kind of posting that gives non-geocachers the wrong idea. It does promote bushwhacking the way it was written. I agree, though I doubt it was Team360's intent, or the way it was written really reflected Team360's Geocaching habits...or did it? quote:Originally posted by nincehelser:In short, RK, shut up. Post only if you have something meaningful to say. Otherwise, go lick your ego wounds elsewhere. Anything that is posted, can lead to something meaningful. It is in your interpretation that any meaning will come out or not. ..and it was said beware of those who have the hair of the bear... Thanks. ________________________________________________________ Kanto "If you know about truth, tell me of it. If not, then I will search with you, together, in order to find it." -Grandmaster Simon Temple Kung Fu ________________________________________________________ [This message was edited by Kanto on July 13, 2003 at 09:44 PM.]

_______________________________________________ Hello quote:Originally posted by GeoCan:I didn't criticise the Shakers, I compared them. The philosophy was theirs to embrace as they saw fit, unfortunately there are not many shakers around... The Lord said "be fruitful", and if you want your philosophies, good or bad, to survive, you have to leave offspring...Or the only evaluators will be outsiders. That is the inevitability isn't it? However small the chance, there is potential for an outsider to bring to life and gather offspring of an old, forgotten philosophy (whether or not they think its new or old). Criticism or Comparison, my point is either must be done responsibly. (Just like Geochaching !! Yippa!) _______________________________________________ quote:Originally posted by Jolly B Good: People seem to be posting extremes and worst case scenarios when it comes to impacting the environment. C'mon. Let's be real. How do you find the balance, or the reality, without going to visit the extremes? (I'm glad you are finding the reality, I am not attacking you.) quote:Not that MAN hasn't had an impact on earth. You're mixing a larger issue with geocaching. There is the long term effects and short term effects on all levels...including the transition between each of those. Mixing, or relating these is ok. Of course, there are those of us who can get straight to the essence of any discussion... quote:There are laws and regulations governing such things. If not -- I'm sure some dedicated environmentalists are going to bring such situations to our attention and say, "stop it!" To add to this, the timing of the "stop it!" protest, and the following action by users and authorities, isn't always well executed. How long does something bad have to go on before the responsible act? I think we all agree that most Geocachers take responsibility of their environmental influence. Perhaps a poll would help us find out the truth at the heart of this thread ?? We have to first find the question (or two) that is at the heart of it, don't you think? quote:It's up to the rest of us to police them and keep them in line. Is there a spot on the site here that outlines all the places that have been ravaged? I know in trades, the services and the clients all know who does a good job and a bad job...and I was wondering if we can keep track of who does the ravaging, by the logs they leave behind? Thanks!...and the chicken did his duty... Thanks. ________________________________________________________ Kanto Temple Kung Fu "If you know about truth, tell me of it. If not, then I will search with you, together, in order to find it." -Grandmaster Simon ________________________________________________________

___________________________________________ Wow, I didn't expect to read so much! Anyway...I will not relate everything together, but I'll try and relate some of the topics. CIRCLE OF LIFEWhat to say? I just had the thought that, like this discussion, life goes in circles...and some circles never intersect others. Perhaps a giant chart would be like a trillion connected circles, like a super-multi-dimensional Ven-Diagram. Haha! Anyway, the circle idea I thought should be mentioned. LIFE OF A THREAD or DISCUSSIONWell, threads are weird...they all have rants, logics, and other things. If you are really interested in all the possibilities, then email me...but I won't waste your time. It's when a thread becomes repetitive that it gets sour or becomes a sort of looping-thing. That is frustrating. Of course, it doesn``t always happen. The point is, each post can have a thread of its own...and so many people post, it is hard to keep it all together, in a nice related, package...so that most people involved can go away with some truly new thing to think or do...as oppose to just ranting or debating. WEEDSSome weeds have flowers. Grass is a weed, yet we like it. Ha! THE EXTREMES, THE BALANCEWell, there may an answer to this question. I think its more rhetoric in that it makes a point, if not, then it is perhaps a building-block for some later conclusion: Without the extremes, how do we find the balance between them? Perhaps it ought to be a statement:The balance is only known after exploring the extremes. RESPECT, EVILYes, we all define our own degrees of respect, evil, damage (emotional, physical, ecological...), and this and that. All lot of that is highly personal, just like FAITH. I thought this fact should simply be posted. MISCONCEPTIONSThis happens in threads, and eventually, if people are really interested in learning something or the truth, then the misconceptions will be dealt with. You can always see who in the thread is really interested in finding the truth, and who isn't, and who isn't yet. SHAKERSI read a book which outlined first-hand experience with the Shakers. If you are to responsibly criticize any group of people with ideologies, you must be able to accept the positive and negative of their lifestyles. This is especially true if you are to label them with groups whose purpose is to reduce human numbers. Though your post has truth in it, I think you confused the EFFECT of the Shakers' beliefs with the PURPOSE of the other group (who wants to reduce human numbers). Responsible, fair, and accurate criticism is when you inform yourself of the good and bad, and if you don't, then it is important to mention the degree of your knowledge. Well, I hope this helps somebody. If not, then let me know!! Wow, I didn't expect to write so much! ___________________________________________ Kanto...and the mangoes fell... [This message was edited by Kanto on July 13, 2003 at 05:40 PM.]

____________________________________________ Hello, Has anyone made any "NETCaches" that are found at any sites out there on the net? I think examples might be like images, quotes, stories, jokes, etc. I know in the FAQs, there were Web-Cameras mentioned, but that was only a link from a real Cache-location, but not a NET-Cache. Thanks. ____________________________________________ Kanto "If you know about truth, tell me of it. If not, then I will search with you, together, in order to find it."-Grandmaster Simon Temple Kung Fu ____________________________________________

______________________________ What is your relative success at finding Caches with and without GPS? Thanks! ______________________________ Kanto [This message was edited by Kanto on July 13, 2003 at 11:32 AM.]