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Great! Thanks! I had missed that before, obviously.
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I have a TB that was released long ago, but vanished in 2006. It is logged as being at a cache that it clearly is NOT at. (I.e. someone picked it up, but never marked it as such). How do I go about marking that it is NOT in that cache any more so that people don't keep going there trying to get it? I see no option either at the cache or under my TB stuff for it to say that it is not there.
I did see that there is a "fake" cache for dead/lost TBs. Should I pick it up from the one and place it there? Is that the best way to do it? Or is there another option?
Thanks!
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When the time came to buy the Jeep, I did a great deal of extensive research on my own and made the decision based upon my research (I have never been a fan of the Consumer Reports type of opinions, regardless of the media used). If somebody had come along and impolitely interrupted while I was discussing the impending deal with the sales rep, I would have very politely advised the person to wait his turn and he could speak with me or the rep after I am finished. By the way, some of my research was done in a couple of Jeep forums, but, because it was a newly redesigned model, I had to use the "IBM" It's Better Manually method, and nobody died from it.
True -- and this is a Geocaching site -- where many people new to GPSrs may visit before they make their first purchase. Therefore, it makes sense to help them as they gather that information -- or help to warn them before they make a quick decision to buy something that is a bad deal.
I have no wishes regarding how a forum's members act, but I sincerely believe that courteous behavior should always be a primary protocol.And I agree with that completely. We just disagree on whether or not "courteous behavior" includes helping warn the BUYER. You seem to equate someone trying to help someone else out by warning them about a bad deal to your example of "impolitely interrupting" at the Jeep dealership. I disagree that stating that someone here has a price on their used item higher than is readily available for the same item brand new is the same thing as "impolitely interrupting" someone talking to a dealership.
My point is not that dissent should be stifled, just that it remain within the highest standards of courtesy.Also agreed -- several people have said that they would do it politely. Unfortunately, even when they do -- many sellers still freak out.
By the way, in the Jeep forums where I did a bit of research, responses in a For Sale forum that publicly "disagree" with a posted price are deleted because approximately 90% of such posts are from members who are trolling (Gawd, I hope we never see that here!). All discussion related to online deals are encouraged to be taken to telephone, e-mail, and/or PM. If a person is posting clearly fraudulent information in a For Sale forum, that member is usually perma-banned.I think that used car buying is a bit different though. Value is much harder to determine -- it can vary greatly between the same car. So, telling someone else that the price is too high is a bit different in that situation. Also, very rarely are you going to see such an obvious bad deal that the seller is trying to sell their used Jeep for more money than the exact same year and model new one. So, in THAT FORUM, I might argue that deleting those posts that disagree with the price makes much more sense. But, I think it a bad analogy to try to relate that to here and suggest that the same thing be considered. It is significantly different, IMO.
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An example of this is when my wife and I bought two Jeeps from a dealer who offered us a really good deal. I am certain there are those who would say they got a better deal on their Jeeps, but that does not interest me..... [...] Had somebody come along and attempted to interfere with the process on the Jeep or house deals, I would say they were rude, just as would be somebody who interrupts a conversation to draw attention to themselves. I would certainly not be grateful for their attempt at 'rescuing' me from my own lesser intellect.
Well, you are different than me. I know little about Jeeps. If I was on a dealer lot looking at a USED Jeep -- and the guy next to me (who happens to own 4 different Jeeps, including this same model, and therefore knows a ton about them) said "Hey, just so you know, you can buy that same exact Jeep brand new from the Jeep place down the street and get it with the full warranty and everything", then I would thank him for the information since I know so little about the going rate of Jeeps these days.
I think it odd that you would not be grateful for that. I guess you'd rather THINK that you got a deal even if you got ripped off than to know the truth? Is that it? Because, otherwise, I don't see how you would think that the guy telling you about a better deal would be "rude" or just trying to attract attention to themselves.
But, if you feel that way -- that is fine. I just don't think that everyone feels that way. And I know that I don't feel that way. If I am buying something that I don't know enough about to know that the price I'm considering from some used guy is a really bad deal, then I certainly would be grateful for some guy that gives me some information about it -- especially when he has no ulterior motives -- which is what I'm talking about when someone does it here in this forum.
- John...
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If a seller's price for a listed item is too high, people will probably not buy it (unless they want to pay that price).
I disagree. We very, very commonly see newbies in here shopping that really have no idea what something is worth and what it would cost them new. They incorrectly assume that they can't get it cheaper NEW than from someone selling here.
The idea that overpriced items won't sell here is just incorrect. We've seen it happen many times in the past actually. My main reason for wanting people to say something when something is grossly overpriced is to help those newbies.
Every potential seller has a choice regarding what price to assign an item for sale.Yes, absolutely. But, as fellow forum members, we have the ability to point out when they've chosen to assign a price on an item that they have for sale that is simply above what seems reasonable -- especially in the example situation where the sale price for used equipment is higher than the sale price for the same thing brand new from a reputable dealer.
- John...
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All i'm saying is there are plenty of cases where a seller wants to get a premium price (still below retail) for his goods, and there are buyers that feel it's still a bargain under their circumstance.
And all I'm saying is that in situations where a buyer's price for used goods is significantly higher than a person can get it for brand-new, then anyone that thinks it is "still a bargain" is either ill-informed or in very weird "circumstances." And, if it really is that odd circumstance, then telling them that they can get the same thing online brand new for cheaper doesn't really hurt anyone.
Calling the seller a ripoff artist,Note that I never said to call them that. What I said to do was to POLITELY point out that the price may be high if they can buy the same thing new online for cheaper.
I never said or implied that such a seller had any intent of doing anyone a favor. They may have paid the $400 locally and want to recoup as much as possible.Again, I disagree that because they got ripped off that they deserve to try to rip someone else off to recoup their mistake. If they paid $400 locally, but it is available for ~$240 online, then I disagree that no one should be allowed to say anything when they ask $325 for it.
I personally know a number of people that are either unwilling to use their CC online, or don't have one to use if they wanted to. Who are you to interfere and say they are being "ripped off" by utilitizing their own judgement...especially if you are not a party to the sale.Again, read what I said before. First, I would not say that they were ripping anyone off -- I would just say that they could get it much cheaper online. Second, as I said, me telling that person about the cheaper online price should NOT INTERFERE with anything! If they really can't buy it online, then giving them the knowledge of what it WOULD cost if they could use a credit card shouldn't be a problem! Providing more information to help a buyer shouldn't be disallowed. If they are really in that situation, then they are still quite able to buy it from the seller here with a money order. How does telling them what it goes for for most people able to use a credit card online harmful to anyone except a seller that was purposely over-charging?
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Your argument makes some assumptions that perhaps you don't realize. Primarily, you're assuming that every potential buyer has a credit card to facilitate an online payment, or is willing to use a credit card online. Many folks fall into these 2 categories.
So you're arguing that it is acceptable for people to greatly overcharge people that are unable or unwilling to use a credit card online? THAT'S your argument?? How is that acceptable?
Sorry, but I still disagree. If someone here is SLIGHTLY overcharging, then fine -- as I said. But if someone here is obviously WAY overcharging -- such as charging more for their used equipment than someone could buy it new, then I think it great that someone here is willing to call them on that. I don't think that they should try to greatly overcharge newbies -- or people without credit cards available.
The explorist 600 can be found online for as little as $258.00, or it can be purchased locally at a sporting goods store for around $400.00.If someone here were to offer their like new explorist 600 for sale at $325.00, using your logic...it's a ripoff artist at work. To the buyer faced with only the local option ($400.00) or the garage sale option ($325.00), please explain how you are doing them a "big brother" favor by calling it a ripoff??
Because it still is a ripoff. Sorry, but I just don't buy the "The seller was really doing those poor folks without a credit card a favor" argument. Because I don't believe that any seller over-charging like that really had that in mind. I simply don't believe that the seller in that case thought that he was doing anyone a favor.
Plus, if that really IS the case and what the seller intended -- then calling them on it doesn't hurt them, does it? I mean, if someone posts that you can get that eXplorist for $258 online -- and the seller responds that they are trying to do a favor for those that can't order online because they don't have a credit card -- then how has that response hurt the seller or a potential buyer if that buyer really is in that "I can't order online and can only get it for $400 locally" situation? They are still free to buy from that seller -- it shouldn't be "wrong" to inform them that they can still get it much cheaper online IF they have a credit card to use.
So, even in your weird situations that I seriously doubt ever occurs, I STILL think it better that someone reply and give the much better online price. The seller can then say "Yes, but offline you can't get it for under $400, so I'm just trying to help out that guy without a credit card" -- and everything is fine again!
- John...
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If you're not honestly interested in buying the item and think the price is a bit high, blasting the price is not much different than any other type of forum flame.
Ah -- but you've manipulated the situation. Yes, if the price is "a bit high", then staying out of it makes sense. But what about when the price is quite a bit high? I mean, I'ev commonly seen someone selling used equipment that could easily be bought BRAND NEW from a reputable dealer online for less money. In those cases, it is NOT the same thing as "any other type of forum flame" to let people know that the thing brand-new from a good dealer is less money.
That's doing potential buyers that don't know better a favor. If the seller just didn't know any better, and the reply is done nicely, then it just lets them know that they need to adjust the price. If the seller DID know better (which I think happens often actually), then the reply just helps potential newbies here not get bitten by a seller that was trying to cheat them.
Whats wrong with keeping your nose out of other folks business?Because we try to HELP people here! Knowingly letting some seller rip off some newbie is just not right. It has little to do with "minding your own business". If someone is trying to screw over newbies to geocaching, then ignoring sellers trying to rip them off is just rude and wrong, IMO.
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Okay where’s Team Chevelle? Thought Johnny would have posted by now. I checked his profile and was shocked to see he hasn’t checked in for a week. Hope he’s okay.
I actually haven't read the forums in quite a while and just happened to stick my head in today. Was quite amused to find myself mentioned recently! 
I haven't posted in many weeks -- guess this is a good chance to dive back in...In any case, in my opinion, people should be able to say something if others are asking too much money. Provided that they can back it up. Once in a while, I'll see someone say "Your price sucks! You can get them NEW for less than that." To which I will commonly reply "Where exactly?" -- and then they either don't answer or so that they saw one in some store somewhere that no one could possibly verify for a price way lower than makes any sense.
So, in those situations, I think the person that replied that the price was too high was in the wrong -- because it isn't really available publicly at that lower price.
But, usually, the case is just that the seller is asking way too much. In those cases, I do hope that someone points it out (i.e. warns potential buyers) that the price is too high.
We get a lot of newbies in there looking for equipment. They don't know any better in a lot of cases -- and will spend too much buying old stuff. I think we, as helpful users, should warn them not to make that mistake. Even if it upsets a seller now and then.
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Actually, the original poster is looking to BUY one, not sell one. "Wtb" means "Wanted To Buy".
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Your note says used on Ebay for 125 to 150 regularily.
How about new one sealed in the plastic packaging?
I did not see that in oyur original message. I did note in my reply, however, that new ones could be had for a bit under $200. So, for new, your prices are probably fine -- my apologies.
Ill sell them both to you if indeed you are serious for $320 for both plus shipping of $20 for a total of $340 for both.That is actually a good price, but I will need to pass for now. I thought that they were used and was looking more for that $125 or so used price.
Again, your price, for new in the packaging, is very fair. Hopefully, someone will take you up on that.
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Well, I have some interest in the STColors, but, as I said, they go for $125-$150 regularly on EBay -- so I don't see paying more for that here, sorry.
Also, you didn't specify what they come with. You just said to check the web site, which doesn't say any more. I assume just the manual, I guess?
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You will not find prices lower than this anywhere.
How do you figure? The SporTrak Color goes on EBay for well under $200 on a regular basis. In fact, a quick check showed that even a brand-new in-the-box one could be had for under $200 usually. Used ones, in fine condition, go for $125-$150 on a regular basis.
Also, you say to check Magellan's site for details on what is included, but Magellan's site doesn't have ANY info about the STColor that I can find since their new site design doesn't really provide anything for their "obsolete" and discontinued products. Links to manuals, yes, but certainly nothing about what would be "included" in the package.
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PM sent.
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Can someone tell me the differences between Garmin's City Select and Metro Guide software? Even after reading the Garmin info, I don't know the difference. They basically describe Metro Guide as having similar data and POIs as City Select -- and then they go on to talk about auto-routing. But, City Select has auto-routing too, right? So, what's the difference between these products?
Thanks!
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I have topo 3d bought for 149 off magellan site. and I have copied it and found the No cd patch so I can installit on other computer I have at home and work and noneed for CD so I know you can use it other places and on many devices
Of course, that would be illegal piracy, violating the license agreement. Some people actually care about such things...
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I think you made a good choice! Have fun!
- John...
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Hmm! that last reply was not exactly helpful.
Well, you are welcome to your opinion, but I still disagree.
He asked if he should find a cable for his 315 or look at something such as the eTrex instead. In my opinion, the 315 is not a good unit for a newbie geocacher. I think he'd be much, much better off learning with an eTrex.
And, don't get me wrong. I'm actually a Magellan fan. I used a 330 for a LONG time and finally just moved to a MeriPlat. So, I'm fairly Magellan biased myself. But, that being said, I still think that a newbie would be better off going with an eTrex as opposed to spending more money on a cable for the 315.
In any case, again, you are free to say what you want, of course, but I don't think you need to comment that my reply was not helpful. I feel that it was -- he can use it to make a better informed decision as he sees fit.
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Actually, $100 for the 200 is about right. Woot.com, for one day, had a ton of the 300s for that price -- which is a superior unit, in my opinion, because of the electronic compass that is built-in. So, stores offering the 200 at $100 isn't that unheard of really.
The $30 rebate then brings it down to the $70.
I guess my point is that I'm not that surprised -- it isn't such a crazy deal that I'd considered it a pricing error. Not any longer at least -- although it likely would have been if it was quite a while ago when you had your problem with them. At that time, $125 probably was too cheap for that unit...
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Just to be fair, the 500 does NOT have a built-in electronic compass. Only the 300 and 600 of the eXplorist line have that. The compass in the 500, like all other GPS units, is a motion-based calculated compass, not an electronic one that works when you are not moving.
I just wanted that to be clear -- since you mentioned that it "has a compass", when most people would only consider that accurate to advertise for electronic compass based devices.
Still a great GPS though!
- John...
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If it was a 330, I'd say keep it and be happy with it! But, the 315 isn't really up to my desires -- especially for a newbie to Geocaching. If I were you, I'd pick up something else -- such as that eTrex you mentioned. Or a Magellan eXplorist even that can be had for cheap.
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I'll take it! Email sent.
Thanks.
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Private Message sent!
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I actually haven't read the forums in quite a while and just happened to stick my head in today. Was quite amused to find myself mentioned recently! 
I haven't posted in many weeks -- guess this is a good chance to dive back in...
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Just to be sure, by "race car", it isn't this, right?
...since that one is lost...
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