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  1. If there was an attribute that meant this is a 4x4 cache and people started to use it on caches in parking lots or on hiking only trails - the members of SoCal 4x4 Geocachers would be in the same situation as ClayJar in that the attribute for their favorite cache type would no longer have any value.

     

    Marty,

     

    I guess you missed this earlier post??????????

     

    I really could care less about the attributes. I don't think I have ever decided to do or not do a cache because of an attribute. I don't think I ever will. I think a huge majority of geocachers have never used an attribute as their defining reason for finding a geocache.

     

    I'll say it again....I could really care less who uses the 4x4 recommended or 4x4 not allowed attribute. In the thousand or so 4x4 caches that the So Cal 4x4 Geocachers have looked for I have never looked for a single cache because it had the 4x4 allowed attribute. I take the time to read the cache pages and logs, I create topo maps of the area, I check with BLM or USFS or National Parks or whatever agency manages the land that we will be on, and then decide from that information whether or not it is a cache that the So Cal 4x4 Geocachers want to hunt for. Any less effort would be irresponsible to the group. We have members that have invested tens of thousands of dollars in specialized equipment and they deserve more effort than me simply deciding to attempt a cache by checking an attribute.

  2. Okay, let's see here... is this thing on?... Anyway...

     

    Why is there not a blacklight attribute?

     

    I maintain a public bookmark list which alerts my fellow blacklight cachers when a new cache is approved that requires a blacklight. I have to look at each and every cache approved and read the description thoroughly before I can add it to the blacklight bookmark list which I attempt to update weakly.

     

    There ought to be an easier way!

     

    Lately cachers have been falsely adding to their descriptions that a blacklight is necessary.

     

    I had to search through pages and pages of falsely described caches to find a blacklight cache. I had to drive over 750 miles to get to the nearest one. Obviously, there was a lot more care to be taken in checking and packing gear than if it were just another cache.

     

    Blacklight cachers have to spend significant effort planning and executing their blacklight hunts. People polluting the "blacklight necessary" in their cache description only make it that much more trouble, and for what?

     

    The labeling of non-blacklight caches as "blacklight necessary" makes the cache description less suitable for the use for which it was intended, and it does so "by the introduction of unwanted factors", even.

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    Would I be remiss to say that it logically follows that if you, as a non-scubacacher, are representative of non-scubacachers, then by your own words it should be no big deal for non-scubacaching hiders to refrain from using one irrelevant attribute?

     

    Yes, you would be remiss using your analogy and thinking it would be logical.

     

     

    ... but the fact I am repeating myself like a broken record seems to indicate that I was apparently very wrong somehow.

     

    That is the first logical statement you have made.

  4. No one is criticizing your efforts to raise awareness. I'm criticizing the selection process which appears to have been in place before you took over.

     

    You are criticizing the selection process because it doesn't fit in with your opinions on how the contest should be run. Other folks from all over So Cal think the selection process is just fine, including a many of the San Diego cachers who have sent emails or told us in person at the mega event that we should just ignore the few bad San Diego apples spoiling the rep for the whole group.

     

    It pisses me off to no end the anger, frustration, derision and just petty crap I've caught wind of regarding the awards this year. I should note that an overwhelming majority of the comments I heard regarding the awards were very positive, and in fact many of the NoCal'ers were awed at how fun the process was and were interested in importing the idea up north in the future. But the few naysayers need to be addressed, IMHO.

     

    Two people donate countless hours, energy and even hard earned money VOLUNTARILY, and they catch crap for it?! I can't recall the last time I've seen such childish selfishness. Do people actually think they are entitled to some form of recognition or pat on the back? Is that why they cache? In the hopes that other cachers will fawn over their hides thereby inflating their fragile egos? Good lord, buy a dog or a blow up doll, but take that neediness elsewhere.

     

    Are the nominees or winners actually objectively "better" or "superior" caches? Of course not. No one's saying they are. The awards are simply an appreciative, collegial form of recognition from fellow cachers who took the time to vote and show their personal, subjective, admiration. I'm always amazed at how simply being nice can end up angering folks.

     

    Are numerous caches that are deserving of accolades overlooked? Of course they are. We have a lot of folks caching in SoCal. But everyone did all they could to spread the word and nominations were open to all for a long time. And does not receiving recognition somehow detract from the quality of a cache?

     

    Finally,are the awards are some insidious means of political maneuvering and geosocial positioning meant to sway geofactions in an attempted geocoup over some mythical power base which mysteriously dictates the path of geocaching in SoCal?! Put the tinfoil hats away, nutjobs, and try and have some fun.

     

    Well said James. Thank you.

  5. SoCalGeocachers.com has been running the Best of So Cal awards for a few years now. FullOn (Rich) asked ShowStop (Tyler) to coordinate the awards last year and Tyler did it again this year. It takes a tremendous amount of time and effort to coordinate these awards. Tyler has been asking for input and help since September. It would be nice if some of the most southern of the So Cal Geocaching community would be a little more appreciative of all the time and effort that Rich and Tyler have put into these awards.

  6. Remarks like this one will not be tolerated. Either you all discuss the topic of the thread, or you don't post. This type of attitude is unacceptable. Is it any wonder Tommy & Helen feel this way? I for one think it's sad that people would be driven from such an enjoyable past-time when the whole sport of geocaching doesn't even really require these forums. They are not really one and the same. These forums are just an extra feature for us to share our experiences, but we can all go caching without ever entering the forums. I for one hope Tommy & Helen will rethink how they are going about their geocaching retirement. They really don't need to stop the best part of it, because a few bad apples in here. Now keep this thread on topic, or I'll be passing out more warnings and time offs.

     

    Eartha

     

    C-YA

     

    Don't let the door hit ya,

     

    Where the good Lord split ya.

     

    Just exactly what was karstic discussing if he wasn't discussing the topic of the thread?

    Tommy CHOSE to leave geocaching. Nobody forced him out.

    karstic is one of the MANY So Cal geocachers that have put up with Tommy's antics for years while the rest of the geocaching world had no clue as to what was happening.

    When speaking of bad apples why don't you ask Tommy how many thousands of discovered logs he deleted before Groundspeak told him to knock it off?

  7. I just wanted to say again I love my IEcacher.com coin, the price seems fair to me, and that I think he is probably aware of the cost of a table @ coinfest. You have all done great things, individually and collectivley, for the geocaching community in the Inland Empire and thanks!

     

    Cache_twentytwo

    If you're gonna help flog a coin at least make sure that your link works, :blink:

     

    It was such a beautiful coin and he was so proud to be the new owner that he rushed to his computer to activate it.

    http://www.geocaching.com/profile/Default.aspx?id=865903

  8. The 50 that remain in gold and black will more than likey be sold at the coinfest in Febuary.

     

    You are more than welcome to altigenman, I believe the sales tables at the event are $200 each :blink:

     

    This got my attention also. The post about tables at the event for $200 was a joke posted by someone, who is not in the IE group, see the smilie. So just forget that comment.

     

    The quote was in reference to the coinfest event in February and it is no joke. If Altigenman wants to sell his coins at coinfest he will need to pay $200 for a sales table.

  9. Our group has a website with currently 88 members on it and our yahoo group has way more than that, like 150....

     

    jerrytcher is a member of IECachers.com, IECachers.org and IECachers Yahoo Groups.

    You can see right on the Yahoo page that there are 89 in the Yahoo group. The .com site has 60 registered users. Both locations have maybe 10-20 people that post more than once a month.

     

    The only reason IECachers.com has 60 registered users is that Mike forced all of you to become members of his site to get information on the IECachers.com coin.

     

    Maybe Mike should invite both mods to the IECachers Yahoo Groups and let them see first hand just how few people were involved in making decisions about the coins.

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    There were 200 coins minted in silver and black and we will never have any additional coins made in this series. There are still some coins left but we had our biggest day of selling them yesterday maybe around 90 or so left... Not going to count them...

     

    The 50 that remain in gold and black will more than likey be sold at the coinfest in Febuary.

     

    Are the 50 in gold and black the limited edition?

     

    The other site was a spinnoff of a our group after a falling out with a member so there are some hard feelings.

     

    The spinoff was after you booted members off your Yahoo Group. Yes there were hard feelings and you answered questions back then about as truthfully as you are answering them on this thread.

     

    I don't know why they didn't choose an original name. Our group was started in August 05 and they are a couple of months old.

     

    I have been caching in the Inland Empire since July 2003. We were calling ourselves the IE Cachers long before you ever joined geocaching and before you ever started IECachers on Yahoo Groups and before you started IECachers.com.

     

    Did I get all the questions?

     

    You got them all and answered a few.

     

    The questions and answers tend to get lost... and then repeated in here... Lots of activity though.

     

    repeated becuase they don't get answered.

     

     

    There are 2 leaders of IECachers.com. They are Mamaloo (Katy) and Altigenman. They have a few loyal followers and the coin sale profits seem to benefit Altigenman and Mamaloo. They keep their Yahoo Group private and many cachers from the Inland Empire are not allowed on the forums at IECachers.com

     

    IECachers.org was started by James aka "Mr. Wisearse" as an free flow of information alternative to Mike & Katys IECachers Yahoo Group.

  11. Hey guys, if you would like an accounting of IEcachers.com cache... please email Mamaloo via the geocaching site... she keeps track of the money.

     

    I have emailed Mamaloo twice and asked for an accounting and I have not received a response yet.

     

    if you like it buy it its for a good cause.

     

    And what would that good cause be?

  12. Yea, Doug... thanks again for the trophies! They looked fantastic...

     

    Mike

     

    Do you ever answer questions directly?

     

    I could care less how much you try to sell you coins for. If people are willing to pay $16 a piece then kudos to you. I do care that you misled folks that the coins were to support expensive events in the IE. Could you please answer my question.

     

    With the trophies donated, the raffle items donated, the park and the food cost zero.....Where did you spend hundreds of your dollars to make the event happen?

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