PC Medic

I agree, ultiple DNF logs can actually be a signal that the cache owner may want to go out and confirm the cache is stiill in place. I have actually had to do this on a couple of occasions. I also agree that in the end the cache owner has the final say, so if there are log entries that should not be made, the owner has the ability to remove them.

SixDogTeam's advice is probably THE best place to start. Only one thing that may be more embarassing than having to have a rescue team help find you after getting lost in the woods...that would be having them locate you with GPS in hand!

I would liken our model more to that of geocaching.de than here, especially since we promote/support the opencaching model and database sharing as well as continue to feed Buxley's.

We have promoted or been involved with several Geocaching Picnics (mostly in upstate New York). Some of these were in free county parks, but there have also been several in parks where an entry fee is required. Letchworth State Park is one of these and has been host to several events, the entry fee has never seemed to deter anyone from attending. I think central location is more important to make it convenient to the largest number of those that may attend.

Buxley's is a very important and useful part of the geocaching community and this IMHO would be a negative blow to the geocaching community. But then I never understood the pay-for-play concept anyway. While it has taken the commercial path (which Jeremy has every right to do), it would be nice to see this worked out simply out of best interest for the sport.

While the thought and intentions behind this cache are most admirable, more than the 'food in cache rules' OR ctritters, I would be concerned with spoilage. Extreme heat and cold (temp changes) will in fact spoil the contents of even a fresh and tightly sealed canned good. I help support an orphanage in Haiti and we have faced this problem in the past before better storage facilities could be built.

I am left wondering if a Premium Membership includes any free electrons ??

I believe this is the way he (Buxley) was already doing it. At least it is for our site. It is not like he pulls down the entire database only select info (coordinates, waypoint name, cache name, status, type). He does not pull descriptions, logs, images or any other data. This is done at scheduled times and off peak. We allow it as it is seen as a great service to the geocaching community. Hopefully TPTB here will reconsider, what ever their reasons were.

A problem with this method is what may seem a great distance to one person, is 'down the road a piece' to another. Someone living in Manhatten finds a trip to Long Island far, where someone in Plains, TX finds a trip to Lubbock a quick shot down the road (yet it's over 100 miles). While living in Rochester, N.Y. we used to regularly make trips (MANY times a year) to places like Albany (225.54 miles S.E), White Face Mtn in Lake Placid ( 274.97 miles N.E.), Kings Island, OH (478 miles S.W.), not to mention regular trips to Philidelphia, Virginia Beach and other destinations. We now live in Va. Beach and weekend road trips to Mrtle Beach, S.C, The Outer Banks, Richmond Raleigh or Roanoke are not unusal and in all different directions. Point is there are many geocachers that travel great distances on a regular basis in many directions. I know of one that has caches in various parts of the world from the U.S. to India because he makes regular business trips to these places, sometimes even staying months at a time in a given location. I think the best person to determine if placement of a cache would be spreading themselves too thin, is the cache owner. Just my two cents.

Not to spoil everyones fun here, but it is possible that friends or family members of this gentleman may be geocachers as well and should they stumble on this thread it would be quite insulting . Especially if it turns out this man was a geocacher himself on the way to the same cache when he stumbled accross something he shouldn't have or became the unfortunate victim of a robbery and/or car jacking. Just my two cents worth.

While I am not familiar with the beach this particular cache was placed on, one issue that has to be considered is that some beaches actually prohibit digging. While that may sound crazy to some of you, it has to do with different factors. For example, in my area the beaches at certain times of the year are one of the few remaining places where an endagered sea turtle lays their eggs. Needless to say, digging in this area could be harmful to their continued survival. Further to the south, many of the beaches prohibit digging and walking on the dunes as they are part of a project to reintroduce certain dune grasses that help stalize the beaches and prevent errosion. So, how do you decide which cache can be buried and which can not if you do not know the rules every square inch of land in the area? Even local approvers could not possibly stay on top of all the do's and don'ts in some areas.

I am also receiving these errors quite regular tonight. Clicking 'Visit Geocaching.com' above, using the search feature on the GC home page and several other options. The site also appears to be running quite slow. Obviously some problems with the servers that need tending.

Keep it short as we are as you said getting off topic. But I wanted to clarify that this is not the case. Many TB's Pass through caches listed on on Navicache and because many are cross-posted not so much as a blip on the radar screen. For those not cross posted, most still log the find when they take it and only a matter of time before they make their way back to a GC listed cache.

Prior to archiving them I had gone out to replenish the contents on one and switch containers on another. There were no TB's inside or mentioned in the logs at the time, Had there been I probably would have had two choices, log them and move them to one of the many other caches I have not yet visited in the area (do not get out caching as much as I would like), or simply leave them for the next cacher to move along as the caches are still active (just not here). Why do you ask?

Hmmm...so you mean like Foster Foster Parents in case the indivduals that have already adopted them are lost while on safari looking for caches in Africa? How exactly would this work? I would hope someone would have the courtesy to discuss such a thing with the cache owners before attempting to adopt them out.

I agree, it has become a lynch mob instead of the (probably foolishly) requested Jury Trial!

1 and 4 seem kind of harsh in my opinion, I mean is the username or cache name really that offensive? As for #2, already done some time ago, apparently not everyone cross-posts their cache listings.

I want to bring up a point that many seem to be missing. Not all that offends is offensive. For example take Duanes username 'Upinyachit', Obviously this is a play on a common (yes common) phrase. Some apparently find it offensive, some (myself included) could care less. Much worse is said and plainly so on prime time TV that your children watch every day. In fact I just finnished watching a video on the Disney Channel with my son called 'Naked Mole Rat Rap' which I am sure some would find offensive. Another thing to remember (something everyone brags so much about) is that geocaching is a world-wide sport. What is offensive in some areas is found acceptable and even humorous in others. For example in this part of the country their is a company that sells large portion frozen foods out of vending machines called 'BigAZZ Burgers'. Now this package clearly displayes the TM mark right under that name meaning that the U.S. Patent office found it acceptable. In fact there is also a tool company (ChannelLock) that makes a line of hand tools referred to as BigAZZ Pliers. Hopefully not many of you mechanically inclined types find that too offensive and do not buy the product. I could go on, but a simple Google search and you can find many similar plays on words that are used on licensed products sold in stores throughout the free world. So while there are certainly some issues that obviously need working out, I somehow think it goes far beyond a username and would find it oppressive to insist someone change such a harmless name as a condition of not being banned from a forum. That's just my opinion and I could be wrong (and I am sure those that think so will be sure to jump in and say so).

Now that's a cache! I would have to agree with others in that this would be a pleasant and rare find for many. Hopefully they trade with your theme/quality to keep it that way.

I agree with Renegade Knight. Quite often owners of private property when asked will allow a cache to be placed. Don't ask, and when they find it....well I think it would be obvious. I also generally recommend that any cache that is on private property should clearly state this within the cache listing and that 'permission has been granted by the land owner'. This prevents suprises to those looking who may see a posted sign and after a long trip out and turn around and go home without attempting the search.

Actually I think the mention of what he does with his kids was to help explain the idea he got for a cache for those outside his family. These types of caches (Prize caches as some call them) are actually popular in some areas. Was not aware they were not allowing them here.

Curious as to why you don't think either of those (waypoint.org or ecoscavanger) could be substitutes for a place to list a virtual. While I am not 'real' familiar with either site, I have taken a quick look and ecoscavanger is a type of Virtual. In any case Virtuals have always been welcome HERE and while moving/traveling caches are also considered, locationless rarely are.

Actually more than one has come along As for the Vacation cache issue, I often wonder just how many 'Vacation Caches' ever actually turned into litter? Because a cache owner can not (or does not) visit their cache monthly, does not make it litter. If the cache continues to get regular hits it is in effect still being maintained (by the visitors). While many of the owners of the local caches in my area are local people, I can also think of several that are not. Those that are not owned by locals continue to get regualar visits (are maintained) and a few are actually quite popular. So all (or should I say most) 'Vacation' caches are not and never would be litter.

So then if I leave my bike at the trail head in the public park, and hike up the foot trail (where bikes are prohibited), but fail to leave a note on my bike saying please don't STEAL me, your family says it is OK to STEAL my bike??? Let me guess this must have been advice from your cousin Vinny!

Don't feel bad. One of mine is placed in some woods in a park near the ocean front. Nothing but flat ground covered with pine needles and lots of 70' tall 8" pines here and they all look alike. Between all the tree cover and no real landmarks, hell I have a hard time WITH my GPS finding it. But then that is why I picked that area when I placed it.