jdoe

1) Create a new cache with the contents (prefered in my book) 2) Use the swag for trades 3) Give it to your kids 4) Throw it away

A cache located on the runway The link above was for a virtual cache. The cache creator decided to put the coordinates in the middle of the runway (check out the map). TPTB were not amused and finally decided to it.

My personal belief, because we just went through a presidential election, and a lot of people were on edge. The amount of actual incidents involving any sort of security are minimal, If the community uses care when choosing a cache location and care when choosing a cache container then we have few problems. Think about the perception of non-geocachers. FINALLY a voice of reason!

Did 9/11 change the way I treat others? No. Did it make me suspicious of abandoned packages? Nope. Why? Because I'm too busy living my own life. Now what do I think caches being discovered and mis-identified as bombs? I don't like at all. But I'm not going to bad mouth cops, because I believe they are justified in the post 9/11 atmosphere. Most of the "troubled" caches that I've read/heard about IMO should not have been placed where they were found (usually in public high foot traffic areas) or should have been archived due to changes in environment (Grand Central Station comes to mind). Continuing to place caches in bad areas and to cry foul over how some government entity is being unreasonable action when a cache is found, is just irresponsible foolishness. If more of these nuisances continue, I could easily see in the future caches being traced back to their owners for civil litigation to recoup the cost of resources being used to respond to these calls. I don't know about the rest of you, but I got into this hobby to have some fun and fresh air. I didn't come here to make geocaching my political soap box or to promote politics. Let's be reasonable and be mindful of where we plan on placing caches before this hobby is seen by the public as a bunch of crackpots geeks out to cause trouble. John Doe

That pretty much summarizes it all. I've driven by the area and from what I can see the area has not changed. The signs on the fence tell people no tresspassing and no loitering. Was Lemur trespassing? No, he didn't. He didn't climb any fence to get into the area. He walked into the area using the sidewalk. No signs are at the barracade telling you you can't walk into the area. However in the eyes of the police, Lemur could be seen as loitering. I had a cache about a mile away (GCH9R1). The SAME signs populate the fences there. The area was a popular place for plane spotters, joggers, and folks wanting to cut to the beach. Sandpiper Road was barracaded, but folks could still use the road. Two years passed and finally they put up signs forbidding foot traffic. I removed the cache and turned it into a virtual because of the sign. In fact I used the sign as the vitual so people didn't have to stop their car - just read as they pass by.

Always e-mail the finder and give them a few days to respond. If you don't get a response then delete his log, if you still feel strongly about it.

That is SO COOL!

Remember the TPTB approve the caches here. If a cache hider decides to "push the envelope" and risk having to rename the cache, that is their business. Approvers don't have to approve a cache.

YOU!! YOU!!! YOU!!! That's why my beloved cache is now archived!!!! You spilled the beans!!!! (j/k) Back in March TPTB at the LAX decided to close this area off foot traffic. When I discovered this, that weekend I made a mad dash to retieve the cache and changed it to a virtual (the cache designation was still a traditional). This place was a great place for plane spotting. Joggers and bikers STILL use Sandpiper Street despite the sign. This morning I got a e-mail notifying me the cache has been archived. I've been expecting this for quite a while. Back in March I was warned by Hemlock that I may be forced to archive the cache because I changed the nature of the cache (traditional to virtual). Given the problems I've heard about the area, I think it is best to steer clear of LAX - I will NOT be placing a virtual to replace it. John Doe

A small bottle of Scotch Whiskey - the type they give on an airplane... and a fossilized whale bone.

If the container used to hold food, I suggest using bleach to soak/wash the container. Bleach will certainly take out or cover the scent of most foods.

Ed, Thanks for responding, those of us who used your web page are really bummed to hear that there hasn't been any progress. Could I perhaps suggest that you run your tool using a dial-up line via Juno? I'll stay tuned. John Doe

I've said this before and I'll say it again. Cachers need to be mindful of the placement of their caches - keeping them away from high foot traffic and places with too many eyes. If these events continue to show up in the news. The public will have to learn to live with these incidents.

Printed falsehoods are libel. Spoken falsehoods are slander. I doubt a lawyer could do anything because they would have to prove that there was some damage has occurred. I believe it would be more practicle for people to write a mountain of letters to journalist and to his editor. That should fix their wagon.

Event caches are suppose to be a gathering of cachers to discuss caching. What cachers decide to do AFTER the event is over GC.COM or admins have no say in the matter. John Doe

I chose my screen name to stress the fact that I'm nameless and faceless in this hobby. John Doe

I wish either TPTB or Buxley would say something about what's going on.

After reading a couple of articles about this incident and relating them to other similiar incidents, it's clear to me that geocaching and law enforcement are going to continue to butt up against one another. It appears that when these containers are reported to the police, the police play it safe and treat it as a bomb. When they discover it isn't a bomb, and the press becomes involved they take the hardline in an attempt to save face. IMO, this is totally expected... how do you think you would feel if you just discovered you blew up what could have been some kid's lunch in front of the local news camera? When law enforcement officers meet up with geocachers it's a different matter altogether. Once they determine you are harmless they let you go on your merry way - in general... Law enforcement is going to continue reacting to calls in this fashion, and I believe we as cachers need to be more responsible in placing caches. Placing a cache in a public area with high foot traffic is just not a good idea, even if you are given permission to place the cache.

Wait a sec. Why would Mtn-man be charged with anything at all? If I read the article correctly, he FOUND the box. He didn't place the cache.

Summit logs are kinda like a guest register. You sign your name, put on a date, and some comments. At least that is how it was explained to me.

Yup it is still messed up.

Yeah I've found something similiar to that size. I thought it was idiotic. The log was scraps of paper. The only items found inside were seeds. I should taken one of the seed and left my booger.

Silica gel packets would be a good idea, however waterproofing a container goes even further. I've come across so many containers that should not be used. Gladware and flimsy film containers comes to mind. If the area is always dry it USUALLY isn't a problem. If the area gets quite a bit of moisture (like dew), water seems to seep in to these types of containers. Since Gladware type containers are flimsier by design and are not intended for long term use. They really IMO not suitable for geocaching.

Rain gear? If price is no problem, anything with GORTEX with a hood would be perfect same goes if you are looking for pants. Whatever you buy just make sure the seams sealed as well and keep in mind that you may want to buy something bigger so you can layer what you are wearing should you plan to take it into the snow or some other exteme weather. john doe

I dunno about having the dates as ALL positive. Does anyone know when the first cache reported by a muggle as a bomb? First Geocacher's meeting. First Geocache planted in insert country here First Puzzle cache First Multicache First Locationless cache The date when GC stop accepting locationless caches. The date when GC started their forum.