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If it is not againt PM but againt MOC it should exclude those who place MOCs and not those who support geocaching.com. That's actually not such a bad idea. But in Germany, that would be one person

No, he doesn't. Don't you understand? This cache is not anti-PM. It's anti-MOC. You can be a premium member and not place MOCs.

I'm not CO Admin but I can answer. Yes, it is approved and it is OK. BTW did you read this thread?

Did you raise the same objection against subscriber-only caches?

Yep, it does. And wasn't yours going to be archived for "promoting an anti-numbers" agenda? This one is promoting an "anti Premium Members" agenda, perhaps it should face the same fate? No, no. It's not anti-premium-member. If anything, it's anti-subscriber-only-caches. A premium member can easily log the cache the following way: he convinces the owner of a nearby subscriber-only cache to remove the subscriber-only status from that cache. Then the owner of this cache will remove the nonmembers-only status of this cache and all premium members can log the cache from that point.

stir stir mix and stir......... Actually, the cache page says that premium members cannot log the cache. That means that DNFs and notes are not allowed either. Just like with subscriber-only caches for non-subscribers.

It's a cool concept.

MOCs are more restrictive than this because non-members can't even see their coordinates so they can't even go hunt for them. But members can go hunt for NMOCs, just cannot log them on the web.

I have very good experience with the forums at www.aximsite.com. Since the GC forums are corporate sponsored, how would you compare the moderation here to say the Dell Community forums? I don't really know. I find that the Dell Community forums are not very active. I rarely use it. When I used it I found that the moderation is mostly limited to deleting posts containing profanities or links to warez sites. Besides that, the mods don't have personalities; they give stock answers to customer support questions. I guess that is another problem for me with that site as an example. It isn't that busy and it seem more like a help/support site. Users ask technical questions, get an answer and never come back I would bet. This forum is more of a social forum with one single forum area dedicated mostly to Q&A rather than the whole forum being a Q&A forum (except for that one off topic area). I still don't think that one is an accurate comparison. (I am interested and I am learning things from this discussion.) No, no, we are talking about two different forums here. My example was the Aximsite forums, which is big and very active, and a lot more than a Q&A forum. What Mopar mentioned is Dell's own forum at www.dell.com. That's completely different. I didn't provide that as an example.

Sorry, I guess the AS77 on the board you mentioned is someone else, since that AS77 posted a topic complaining about censorship and moderation at the Dell forum. That was a long time ago. What I wrote above is the present situation. The mods have practically disappeared from the Dell forum (or at least the sections I sometimes visit). But it's true, there is some censorship on the Dell forums. They filter out words like "lawsuit" and "petition" automatically. Besides, there was an incident when they deleted an entire thread that contained about 800 posts petitioning Dell for a software upgrade (and Dell didn't grant the request). But there was no day-to-day moderation or micro-managing the threads like here. It's no comparison.

I have very good experience with the forums at www.aximsite.com. Since the GC forums are corporate sponsored, how would you compare the moderation here to say the Dell Community forums? I don't really know. I find that the Dell Community forums are not very active. I rarely use it. When I used it I found that the moderation is mostly limited to deleting posts containing profanities or links to warez sites. Besides that, the mods don't have personalities; they give stock answers to customer support questions.

That has already happened. Rothstafari's post said "The blame for this lies solely with Groundspeak and not the volunteers."

I have very good experience with the forums at www.aximsite.com. I would also prefer to see a similar sized site to this one rather than a smaller site like the one you linked. On that board the most active area only has 3,594 topics with 58,436 posts (and it is ironically the off topic area). The General area here is the most active with 16,088 topics and 295,131 posts. The number of threads and posts depends on when the board was created. I think the gc.com forums are about 2 years older than the aximsite forums. A better measure is the number of active users. At this moment there are 445 users online at the aximsite forums. There are more than 70,000 registered users. I think we can safely say that the size is comparable.

As Heidi pointed out in another thread, approvers are human and make mistakes. Whent hey do they should be corrected. If NJ Admin accidently approves my cache on NPS land, I would hope another approver would step in and set him straight. OK, let me ask you (or anyone who can answer) a question. Did the reviewers contact Groundspeak before approving these caches, to ask for their stand on the issue?

Very well said!

I have very good experience with the forums at www.aximsite.com.

I think the victims in this issue are the cachers who wanted to place the caches in question. They were led into believing that they had successfully gotten their caches through; the caches got approved, apparently after a lot of discussion. I can understand the deep disappointment when unexpectedly to them those caches suddenly got archived. As I pointed out in another thread, I wish approvals were trustable decisions that last. This is very important. I hope Groundspeak and the reviewers will work together to prevent similar unfortunate events in the future. Perhaps there is a need for improved communication between Groundspeak and the reviewers.

I think the best moderators are those that are practically invisible. Those whose names you see often are interfering way too much with the normal flow of communication. I see a moderators role as to help people communicate with each other. On this board, I often see that the purpose is to prevent communication as opposed to facilitating it. Some moderators treat us as children who need to be told how and what to say to each other; this is offending. I participate in a number of forums but this one is one of the most strongly moderated ones. On some other forums I'm participating in, the mods rarely close threads or issue warnings; generally they are invisible and I cannot even recall their screen names. When a discussion gets too heated, they just post a note saying "please be nice, this is supposed to be a friendly forum", and this usually makes wonders. And those forums are indeed a lot more friendly than this one. So I think there is certainly room for improvement regarding the moderation of these forums.

psst. you're losing. Come up with something better than that. Losing exactly what, Dude? The last shreds of respect you have on these boards. Moderate yourself.

Look guys, if this thread has no value, we can just abandon it. True, the OP was not exactly classy. But posting dozens of beer glass pictures in the hopes of getting the thread closed is not the solution.

The guidelines don't allow disrespect even in reply to disrespect.

psst. you're losing. Come up with something better than that. Losing exactly what, Dude?

Mostly because the original post refers to the moderators' "Hitler status" and wasn't locked immediately. Basically, if you start a thread with a guideline violation, I reckon anything goes from there...up until somebody musters the energy to lock it. I don't think someone else's guideline violation entitles you to violate to guidelines as well. Oh? Then what are we to discuss in here? How much we think the moderators are Nazi warlords? I don't think so. Have a beer cup. If you replace the word Hitler in the OP with "dictator" the basic message remains the same and it won't violate the guidelines. The fact that the poster used the word Hitler just means that he feels strongly about the subject. It doesn't mean at all that the topic he raised cannot be discussed. And it certainly doesn't justify the derailing of the thread.

Mostly because the original post refers to the moderators' "Hitler status" and wasn't locked immediately. Basically, if you start a thread with a guideline violation, I reckon anything goes from there...up until somebody musters the energy to lock it. I don't think someone else's guideline violation entitles you to violate to guidelines as well.

That is probably true and can be proven with the server logs. However, I practically never look at the main page. I always start at www.geocaching.com/my So you never would have heard about the tsunami then? Come on...