shunra

Those in favour of this type of caches have been mentioning community, social fabric and local history. How are any of those reflected in your text (with the possible excpetion of the one original paragraph with your personal note)? Sure, if you are goingto talk about how a small company grew up in your town, that's excellent. But if you're just giving some corporate speek, drop some brand names and flash some logos, it's a thumbs down, as far as I'm concerned. Looking at the logos and at the cache page, it leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth - probably not what you wanted. But - if you go ahead and make a Yum! cache, don't use an M&M container, but find something relevant to Yum!

You didn't report it? And what did you write in your log?

TC as in...

Just redefine those non-cachers as potential cachers, and consider the event a recruiting opportunity

Likewise. Last weekend in July. Let's see if I can do my own little instant essentials (short) list: Water (more important than food) Wind protection (like a light raincoat, good for wind, rain and some warmth by holding in your body warmth) Sunglasses Sunscreen (if it is sunny you'll be really sorry, if its cloudy just a little less sorry) Food (give me a box of Ritz crackers and I'm good) Get a grip! (good tread, an Ice axe would be good here , maybe treking poles) Some warm clothing Other than that you can make an endless list You forgot to mention 60 bottles of beer. Absolutely essential in avalanche territory

Ambrosia, what's the basis for that statement? US Citizens are not required to have proof of identity on them. Moreover, they are not even required to own one. Yes, they are required to have a drivers license when they drive, and there are particular circumstances where presentation of a "picture ID" is required by law, but these are not situation you are ever required to be in. Even if you want to ride your bicycle from Wenatchee to across the country all the way to Florida, or hitch hike - as long as you're not driving, or using air planes, and as long as you don't break any law, you don't need to identify yourself, to anyone. That's legally. Of course, being able to identify yourself might save you a lot of trouble is an officer is suspecting you of something, but that's a different discussion, and we should not mix those two. I will go out of my way to voluntarily cooperate with any LEO. I will not put up with a situation, however, in which any government agency is infringing on my constitutional liberties. Read all the posts after that one. I did. You keep saying - correctly - that it's smart to have an ID on you You also keep saying - wrongly, as confirmed even by our local LEO - that there is a legal requirement to that effect. The purpose of my post was to ppint out that these are two entirely different issues, and one shouldn't mix them up

Ambrosia, what's the basis for that statement? US Citizens are not required to have proof of identity on them. Moreover, they are not even required to own one. Yes, they are required to have a drivers license when they drive, and there are particular circumstances where presentation of a "picture ID" is required by law, but these are not situation you are ever required to be in. Even if you want to ride your bicycle from Wenatchee to across the country all the way to Florida, or hitch hike - as long as you're not driving, or using air planes, and as long as you don't break any law, you don't need to identify yourself, to anyone. That's legally. Of course, being able to identify yourself might save you a lot of trouble is an officer is suspecting you of something, but that's a different discussion, and we should not mix those two. I will go out of my way to voluntarily cooperate with any LEO. I will not put up with a situation, however, in which any government agency is infringing on my constitutional liberties.

Have you tried fuzzy's BMGPX? It will let you take benchmark datasheets for an entire county and convert them to GPX files. Are you sure about the link? It wants to send me a zip file, without even asking me which county I want...

Emphasis in the quote is mine. Indeed, I think the key word here is "supposed", Jeff. It depends on what you mean. You say people are not supposed to be somewhere after hours. Who sez? If it is prohibited, you're absolutely right. The cacher shouldn't have been trespassing, and it is your job to deal with it as determined by law. So yes, if that's what you mean with "supposed", then I have no argument. But if with "supposed" you mean that the shop is closed, and that you're merely curious what that man might have been doing there after hours with that device in his hand, you might inquire like anyone else might do, but you have no right to hold him up against his will. If you think he has broken a it's your job to detain the guy. If you just think he's weird, don't bother him - you have no authority, not even to ask him to identify himself. Correct me if I'm wrong! I believe there are only two exceptions: One: when he's driving (I believe LEOs are always allowed to ask for a driver's drivers license). Two: under the provisions of the Patriot act, which allow locking up a person indefinitely, if it's a homeland security matter.

I'd really like GPX files, too. As to smileys: What better way to teach your kids that it's not about the numbers? <ducking>

Everytime I see this NA acronym, I think that it means the cache is not applicable. Could we use something else? What about TLCN (for TLC Needed)?

Most of it is makebelief, so people will THINK that something is being done about security. Like those funny airport shoe checks.

Er, not cooperating is NOT in your best interests, unless you want to be their "guest" for a while. Legally, they CAN hold you without charging you for something like four hours (if I recall correctly, that is...) They can indefinitely. That's the US-Patriot act for you. All they need to do is put a checkmark in the "terrorism suspect" box. Receiving signals from outer space.

That's exactly what I use my GPS for. Wherever I'm caching, I'll always know which direction to face.

Ah, I hadn't seen that. Could you send Jeremy a reminder about the red ink, too?

Tried the shift thing, but it made no difference. Tried again a few hours later, and the page loaded fine. Odd. Nope, no FTF for me...

The Log it! and the Visit the Gallery links are jammed together in caches that haven't been logged yet, when a picture is uploaded to the cache site: For instance here. Obviously, the problem disappears when the first log is posted, since the first of the two links disappears at that point, but still, it isn't pretty...

In two of my PQs, this cache shows up. However, I cannot see it yet, as it hasn't been approved yet. Is this freak incident, or are there more such cases?

Sounds very interesting...

No. It is both a mind issue and a function issue. SBA notes alert the reviewers. "Needs attention" messages do not. A reviewer's intervention is not necessary. Both need to stay. I think anything that helps people seek out and fine caches, and encourages people to post logs about cache issues, is a win-win situation, no matter how redundant you think it may be. Your last 9 words were certainly redundant My objection was to the OP's idea that this NA message would cound as a Find in its own right. If you make the NA a separate log altogether, I have no real problem with it. I too think that anything that helps people seek out and find caches, and encourages people to post logs about cache issues is a good thing. That's why I'd rather NOT have shortcut logs which preempt the need to describe the situation. Shortcuts don't add information, they reduce it. When (inevitably, if you go down that road) someone will ask you to program a separate TNLNSL log, so they can just click and move on without having to write anything, I don't suppose you'll agree to do that either...

Right. But if a copy of this goes to the reviewer, than the SBA becomes redundant, so you might as well save yourself the programming work, and just rename the existing function, so as to take away the deterring factor. If a copy is not going to be sent to the reviewer, then the whole issue is moot, bcause if an owner doesn't read his logs, he won't care about this one either. I believe that the problem is a mentality problem, not a software problem, and you cannot fix it with a new feature, let alone fix it without creating new unforeseen issues. For instance, I can imagine cache owners getting angry about what they see as negative feedback about their cache. If this negative attention is in the SBA (renamed as Needs Attention), such owners can delete it, and the reviewers will still see it - and the Find log can stand as is. If there will be a combined "Found and Needs Attention" log, however, I expect that Find logs will be retalliatorily deleted, and a great deal of acrimony over that. "Needs Attention" is an urgent and important message, but it can be sent via the existing logs. The system ain't broke - don't fix it. I strongly believe this is merely a psychological issue, that will be solved if you just rename the SBA. At least give it a try!

A small shipment of red ink appears to have arrived some days ago, but the supply was insufficient. Has more been ordered?

I think it's a bad idea. If we want the owners attention and to alert other cachers, there is no need for anything new, we cn just write it in the log. If we want the approvers attention, al that is needed is an SBA.- which does not necessarily lead to archival. There is no in-between need that needs a special type of log, and therefore no new log type is needed. However, I understand that to some people "Should Be Archived" sounds too strong. Therefore, rather than inventing a new log type, I suggest renaming the existing one as "Needs Administrative Attention".

Hey, thanks for solving the map problem. You look better now!

They should have decrypted the hint. It said: Vg'f abg va gur nccyr!