Cache-tech

Event listing guidelines

The log issue has been addressed and the cache issue has been answered. If you feel the cache issue is not resolved, report the caches to Groundspeak, include my reviewer name in your email as I was the reviewer for both caches. I am going to close this topic as the Log Issue has been resolved, unless a mistake was made with a topic title, titles are not changed, this started off as a log issue.

Again with the logs. That issue is settled and I accept it. OK. What I am talking about now is why was the cache previously mentioned approved. Their web page "CLEARLY" states that they are a charitable organizations that accepts donations (solicitation). From the guidelines. Caches that Solicit Solicitations are off-limits. For example, caches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted. Geocaching is supposed to be a light, fun activity, not a platform for an agenda. Come on Cache-tech, you are the expert here. The cache owners web page CLEARLY states that it is a charitable organization that solicits for donation on it's web page. The guidelines CLEARLY states that solicitations are off limits and charitable organizations can not be the subject of caches. There are no exemptions for solitious caches. PERIOD. Please explain why exactly this charitable cache was approved. Remember the log issue is settled. Considering this thread is about logs and not caches, I was on topic. Concerning the caches, and I don't consider myself "the expert", I try to follow the guidelines as closely as possible while being consistent, the guidelines have been revised over time, my reviewing has changed to reflect said revisions and experience. Caches within a non-profit admission park have been listed, the goal is to get people caching. It was stated that it was a solicitation due to mentioning the admission fee, I viewed this as being commercial for charging an admission fee and referred it. As for the website and donation link, I will discuss it with Groundspeak, it is only on 1 listing and I missed it. The descriptions are mostly about the location, just like many other caches and asking not to leave the trails, along with a note about the admission fee and what it is. Many caches are placed in parks that charge an admission fee, I would rather know there is a charge before heading out then finding out when I got there. The cache placer has permission for the placements. If the solicitation aspect was due to being in a park that charged an admission, then many caches would have to be removed for that reason, or is it due to parks staff placing the cache and not a cacher who paid the admission and placed the cache? They would still need permission for the placement from the parks staff and once given, would that be any different then the current caches? Bottom line, caches were placed, permission was requested and granted, the caches were listing.

I don't see any inconsistencies here myself, as such I see it this way. Logs: You were soliciting donations for a non-profit group through your logs, upon discovery, you were asked to remove your logs. If any non-profit park were to start to log caches asking to visit their park, I am sure they will be asked to remove it. I don't see where this would be inconsistent, since we don't read every log and with the number of logs posted, it would be a big job to police them, which is why things slip through until someone asks if something like your tag line is permitted. Just to note, this is off the front page. That is a lot of logs, since site volunteers are not log police, this is referred directly to Groundspeak, as in your case. A different issue but brought up here. Caches placed by a park volunteer within the park they volunteer at with an account they do not use for regular caching (this does not imply they have a regular caching account, just that the account used for the cache placements is just for this park). The caches were submitted, referred, permission granted and were listed. This is in the guidelines which was followed for these caches. You would like to post a cache to promote your agenda to solicit donations for the CBS citing the park caches, but denied, there is no inconsistency here, it is taken on a cache by cache basis. What is the difference between your solicitation and the park caches. You are soliciting cachers to donate for something not related to geocaching, be it blood, money, food, toys or a number of other charities. Geocaching defined by some is getting out, getting exercise, using a GPS and finding a hidden cache at a set of co-ordinates. While the park charges an admission fee, they are non-profit and you are geocaching, if Canada's Wonderland or LaRonde staff were to submit a cache, they would be denied as these are for profit sites. I am sure there are many examples of caches in such sites, but I am not looking for examples. If you do not want to pay to get into the park, then you do not have to find the caches there, but the core reason for the caches is to geocache. I am not sure how you would set up your CBS cache, but from the examples of past cache submissions I have refused, it was usually an ALR - donate blood, find the cache, sign log, log your find. While it can be said this is similar to the park caches - pay admission, find the cache, sign log, log your find, there is a difference, one is to get you to donate to a charity organization, finding the cache is really second, the other is to get people to go out and find a cache for the cache, visiting the park is second. If caches were to no longer be listed within non-profit admission fee parks, that would cover many parks just within Canada. I would also prefer to know if there is an admission charged before going to find a cache having been caught in the past arriving at the gate. I left that day, but returned another and found the caches there. To think of it, there are several more now in that park, have to plan another trip, I don't like to pay an admission, but from our past visits, it is worth a visit to hike through the park. So with these caches, would it be different if it were a cacher that placed the caches or that it was a volunteer of the park that asked permission to list the caches?

Now stand by one, Cache-tech. The rule/guideline clearly states as I have shown above. Solicitation is off limits for caches. That means that Groundspeak should not be allowed to grant permission to anything against the rules. If the owner does not respect their own rules why should those who are spending money to belong. IMHO, the whole permission thing is just a back door way for Groundspeak to get around their own rules for their own reasons. Groundspeak and their volunteers can make up all the loop holes they want, but it is wrong. What is good for us gooses is apparently not good for the ganders (Groundspeak). If you make rules, stick to them or they become useless and questionable. BTW, show me in the guidelines where it states that cachers can request permission to bend the guidelines. It doesn't. In Canada and I am sure in the states our legal system is based on something called the "Rule Of Law" which means that even those who pose the laws and those who enforce the laws, MUST OBEY the laws. The mentioned caches were placed in a non-profit admission park, of which there are many caches placed within by a number of cachers. The submitted caches, referred to Groundspeak and obtained permission for their caches, just like any number of other cache placers. You posted a solicitation without prior permission on every cache you logged, thereby, if you find my cache, you are using my cache page for your solicitation. Would you mind if I deleted your logs to remove your solicitation from my caches if you found them? Regardless, bottom line, you posted a solicitation, no matter the cause, on every cache you posted a log to without asking permission, after an inquiry that was directed to Groundspeak, you were asked to remove your solicitation. If the cache placer were to start logging caches, "Found your cache, thanks, by the way visit xyz park, admission only $1", then they would be advised of the same. Further, the guidelines are as follows Your logs solicit, the caches might be considered commercial and followed the above guidelines, as mentioned, two totally different guidelines.

There are many caches placed in parks and conservations areas that charge an admission, the 2 in question here were submitted and referred to Groundspeak. Groundspeak then gave permission as indicated in the description and my non-deletable publish log, thereby indicating that permission was given and not just added by the cache owner. I really don't see the 2 cases as comparable, the OP was soliciting for Canadian Blood Services (not the Red Cross, they have not collected donated blood in Canada for several years) without asking prior permission to do so over 1000 times. The caches were submitted, referred, permission granted and listed, the prior cache did not grant automatic permission for the second either. There has been a number of times I have arrived at the door step of a park to discover there was an admission with no indication on the cache page, the park was non-profit but I would rather know before I made the plan and trip, we even have an attribute now to indicate there is a charge for entry into a non-profit park. If you have further examples, email me and I will look into them.

True, but there must be a number of people who are actually paid, real money, to look after this site. One paid employee found time in his busy schedule to email me a number of times to make sure i was going to remove all of my tag lines. Maybe he could look through the cache site listings. You could also drop an email to the contact address or email us directly. I get emails time to time concerning caches in our review area, I always treat them as confidential.

The new policy issued for released today has been added to the pinned Canadian Geocaching Land Manager policies topic and a new thread for this topic has been started to. As to the release of this policy, I was asked to hold it for release until today which is what I done. Now the policy has been released, I am going to close this update thread. Thank you to all for your participation.

As a note, the Parks Canada Geocaching Policy given above was provided as current, for the most current geocaching policy with Parks Canada visit the following links. English French As the policy may be updated at any time, the policy on the Parks Canada site will be deemed the most current over the policy as posted above. I would like to thank everyone involved for their time and effort in getting a Geocaching policy established. Thank you.

Cette politique peut être trouvée au lien suivant aux Parcs Canada Parcs Canada - Lignes directrices pour les activités aux visiteurs Parcs Canada Lignes directrices pour les activités aux visiteurs GÉOCACHETTE Date d’approbation : Septembre 07 Description de l’activité La géocachette est une activité de plein air qui ressemble à une chasse au trésor. Le but de cette activité est de découvrir des contenants dissimulés, appelés caches ou géocaches, à l’aide d’un récepteur GPS (global positioning system ou système mondial de localisation) qui est un instrument portatif de navigation supporté par des satellites. Les adeptes de cette activité (communément appelés cacheurs ou géocacheurs) placent une cache dans un endroit en plein air et affichent les coordonnées géographiques (latitude et longitude) sur Internet. D’autres géocacheurs utilisent par la suite leur récepteur GPS pour repérer la cache après en avoir téléchargé les coordonnées et la description figurant sur Internet. Une fois que les participants ont découvert la cache, ils peuvent enregistrer leur trouvaille sur Internet. Il existe de nombreux types de caches. Les caches physiques renferment un carnet de bord, un crayon et des objets destinés à être échangés(1) (par exemple de petits jouets, des porte clés ou d’autres babioles.). Un autre type de cache est la cache géoscientifique, dite <earth cache>, qui a pour objet de faire ressortir les particularités naturelles uniques d’un lieu. On trouvera de plus amples renseignements sur les différents types de caches et sur la géocachette en général sur les sites Internet suivants: www.geocaching-qc.com (français), www.geocaching.com et www.earthcache.org (anglais)(2). Direction nationale La géocachette est une activité qui peut être pratiquée dans les lieux historiques nationaux, les parcs nationaux et dans les aires marines nationales de conservation gérés par Parcs Canada. La géocachette est adoptée par Parcs Canada au niveau national; il est cependant important de noter que l’activité ne sera pas nécessairement permise dans tous les emplacements de Parcs Canada. Pour les endroits où l’activité est encouragée, des lignes directrices supplémentaires pourraient être établies afin de répondre à des besoins particuliers. Pour de plus amples renseignements sur la géocachette dans des endroits donnés, le géocacheur devra communiquer directement avec le personnel du lieu historique, du parc ou de l’aire marine de conservation en question. Lignes directrices d’activité Ces lignes directrices énoncent les directions nationales de base à observer pour la pratique de la géocachette dans les lieux historiques nationaux, les parcs nationaux et les aires marines nationales de conservation administrés par Parcs Canada. Les géocacheurs doivent également se conformer aux règles et normes internationales en matière de géocaching lorsqu’ils s’adonnent à leur activité dans les lieux gérés par Parcs Canada. On peut trouver ces règles et normes sur les sites www.geocaching-qc.com (français) et www.geocaching.com (anglais)2. 1.1 Lorsqu’ils sont à la recherche d’une cache ou vont en placer une, les géocacheurs doivent toujours se tenir dans les sentiers balisés et entretenus ou dans les endroits accessibles au public (ex. les aires de pique-nique). Toutes les caches doivent être accessibles à partir des sentiers ou dans les aires publiques. S’il n’existe pas de sentiers balisés et entretenus, ils doivent aller voir le personnel de Parcs Canada dans le lieu historique, le parc ou l’aire marine de conservation choisi pour discuter de l’endroit où ils pourraient installer une cache. 1.2 Il n’est pas permis de mettre des objets d’échanges dans les caches. Au lieu d’inclure un objet, un message ou un récit sur l’emplacement spécifique ou sur le lieu historique, le parc ou l’aire marine de conservation sera inséré dans la cache. Ces messages sont destinés à faire ressortir les particularités naturelles ou culturelles du lieu. On interdit les objets d’échanges afin d’éviter la présence d’objets susceptibles d’attirer les animaux. Cependant, un lieu historique, un parc ou une aire marine de conservation pourrait choisir de servir d’intermédiaire afin que les géocacheurs puissent obtenir ou laisser un objet à échanger. 1.3 Les géocacheurs doivent payer tous les frais applicables. (Cette liste est disponible à http://www.pc.gc.ca/). 1.4 La cache sera installée de façon à ne pas déranger les ressources naturelles (par exemple : la végétation, la terre) et/ou culturelles. 1.5 L’installation de caches est autorisée dans les zones II, III, IV et V des parcs nationaux (3). La personne intéressée communiquera directement avec le personnel de Parcs Canada afin d’obtenir de plus amples renseignements sur le zonage dans un parc national donné. 1.6 Les géocacheurs doivent rencontrer un membre du personnel de Parcs Canada dans le lieu historique, le parc ou l’aire marine de conservation de leur choix pour discuter de l’emplacement et obtenir le sceau d’autorisation requis avant d’installer une cache. Afin de se préparer à cette rencontre, le géocacheur complètera le formulaire d’information sur la cache. (Disponible à LIEN) 1.7 Le contenant à cacher devra : • Être étanche; • Être fait d’un matériau résistant aux éléments naturels (vent, pluie, gel, etc.); • Être le plus petit possible; • Être de couleur neutre pour ne pas trancher avec le milieu naturel. 1.8 Les contenants ayant servi pour de la nourriture sont interdits car leur odeur pourrait attirer les animaux. 1.9 La cache doit renfermer : • Un carnet de bord (dans un sac à fermeture hermétique qui le protège de l’humidité), • Un crayon et un taille crayon; et • Une note explicative à l’intention des gens à la recherche de caches (un exemple est disponible à LIEN) comprenant les éléments suivants : • Un message éducatif concernant l’endroit où se trouve la cache ou ayant trait au lieu historique, au parc ou à l’aire marine de conservation en général; • Un message clair qui demande de ne mettre aucun objet à échanger dans la cache et expliquant le but de cette consigne (éviter la présence d’objets susceptibles d’attirer les animaux); • Des instructions à l’intention de quiconque aurait découvert la cache par hasard; • Les coordonnées de la cache, pour s’assurer d’avoir trouvé la bonne cache, et • Les coordonnées d’une personne ressource de Parcs Canada ainsi que le nom et/ou le pseudonyme et les coordonnées du propriétaire de la cache, au cas où celle-ci aurait besoin d’entretien ou devrait être retirée. Information supplémentaire Le guide d’orientation des employés pour la géocachette à Parcs Canada présente les informations spécifiques à la gestion de la géocachette dans les parcs nationaux, les lieux historiques nationaux et dans les aires marines nationales de conservation gérés par Parcs Canada. Il présente les lignes directrices à suivre lors de l’installation, la recherche, l’archivage et la supervision d’une cache ainsi que les consignes concernant les caches non-autorisées. La page d’information pour le public au sujet de la géocachette à Parcs Canada (disponible à LIEN) présente les informations requises afin de chercher ou de placer une cache dans les lieux historiques nationaux, les parcs nationaux et dans les aires marines nationales de conservation gérés par Parcs Canada. Remerciement spécial Parcs Canada tient à remercier toutes les personnes qui ont participé aux consultations préparatoires à l’élaboration de ces lignes directrices. L’implication des différents organismes de géocaching et des représentants de divers autres groupes concernés a été un facteur clé dans le développement d’une approche créative pour intégrer la géocachette dans les lieux historiques nationaux, les parcs nationaux et les aires marines nationales de conservation de façon à respecter les ressources naturelles et culturelles, promouvoir la compréhension et faciliter des expériences de visite mémorables. (1) Il n’est pas permis de mettre des objets d’échanges dans les caches situées dans les lieux historiques nationaux, les parcs nationaux ou les aires marines nationales de conservation gérés par Parcs Canada. Au lieu d’inclure un objet, un message ou un récit sur l’emplacement spécifique de la cache ou sur l’endroit en général où elle se trouve sera inséré dans la cache. (2) Les géocacheurs sont invités à visiter le site web Sans Trace Canada à l’adresse http://www.sanstrace.ca. Ils y trouveront des principes utiles pour l’organisation d’activités récréatives de plein air de façon sécuritaire et respectueuse pour l’environnement. (3) Il y a cinq zones dans le système de zonage de Parcs Canada pour les parcs nationaux : la zone I (zone de préservation spéciale), la zone II (zone de milieu sauvage), la zone III (zone de milieu naturel), la zone IV (zone de loisirs de plein air) et la zone V (zone de services du parc)

This policy can be found at the following link at Parks Canada Parks Canada - Visitor Activity Guidelines Parks Canada Visitor Activity Guidelines GEOCACHING Date of Approval: September 07 Description of Activity Geocaching is an outdoor activity that is similar to a treasure hunt. The goal of the activity is to find hidden containers known as caches or geocaches using a portable satellite navigation device called a Global Positioning System (GPS) receiver. Individuals who practice this activity (generally referred to as cachers or geocachers) place a cache in an outdoor location and post the cache’s latitudinal and longitudinal coordinates on the Internet. Other geocachers then use their GPS devices to download the coordinates and cache descriptions from the Internet in order to find the caches. Once the participant has found the cache, they may log their findings on the Internet. There are a number of different types of caches. Physical caches include a logbook, pencil, and trade items(1) (small objects left in the caches for geocachers to trade with one another – e.g. toys, key chains, etc.). Another type of cache is an earth cache, which highlights an area’s unique natural features. More information regarding different types of caches and geocaching in general can be found at www.geocaching.com, www.earthcache.org (English), and www.geocaching-qc.com (French). National Direction Geocaching is an activity that can occur at national historic sites, national parks and national marine conservation areas managed by Parks Canada. While geocaching is embraced by Parks Canada at the national level, it is important to note that the activity may not be permitted at all of Parks Canada’s locations. Where the activity is encouraged, additional guidelines could be developed in order to meet location-specific needs. For more information regarding geocaching at a specific Parks Canada location, individuals should contact the selected historic site, park or marine conservation area directly. Activity Guidelines These guidelines set out a basic national direction for geocaching at Parks Canada’s national historic sites, national parks and national marine conservation areas. Geocachers at Parks Canada locations must also comply with international rules and standards for geocaching. These can be found at www.geocaching.com (English) and www.geocaching-qc.com (French)(2) . 1.1 When placing or seeking a cache, geocachers must travel on marked and maintained trails or in publicly accessible areas (e.g. picnic areas) at all times. All caches must be accessible from the trail or the public area. If marked and maintained trails do not exist, geocachers must check with Parks Canada staff at the selected historic site, park or marine conservation area to discuss where a cache may be placed. 1.2 Trade items are not permitted in caches. Instead, a message or story about the cache’s specific location or about the national historic site, park or marine conservation area in general is included. These messages will encourage a focus on the special natural or cultural features of the cache location. Removing trade items will also help prevent a cache from containing items that may attract wildlife. However, a historic site, park or marine conservation area can choose to act as an intermediary so that the geocachers can obtain or leave trade items. 1.3 Geocachers pay all applicable fees. (This list is available at http://www.pc.gc.ca/). 1.4 Caches are placed so that they do not disturb natural (e.g. vegetation, soil) and / or cultural resources. 1.5 Caches are permitted in zone II, III, IV and V areas in national parks(3) . Individuals should contact Parks Canada staff directly for more information about zoning in a specific national park. 1.6 Geocachers are required to meet with Parks Canada staff at the selected historic site, park, or marine conservation area to discuss the proposed location of their cache and to obtain an authorization seal prior to placing a cache. In preparation for this meeting, geocachers are required to complete a cache information form. (Available at LINK*.) 1.7 Cache containers will: • Be watertight; • Be made of material that will withstand wind, rain, frost, and other natural elements; • Be as small as possible; • Be neutral-coloured so that they do not stand out in the natural environment. 1.8 Cache containers that have been used for food are not permitted as odours could attract wildlife. 1.9 Caches should include the following: • A logbook (in a sealable bag to protect it from humidity), • A pencil and pencil sharpener, and • A note for finders (example available at Stash Note) that includes the following: • An educational message about the cache’s specific location or about the historic site, park or marine conservation area in general, • A clear message directing finders not to leave trade items in the cache and providing the rationale as to why (to prevent a cache from containing items that may attract wildlife), • Instructions for people who find the cache by chance, • The cache’s coordinates to confirm that the correct cache has been found, and • Parks Canada staff contact information and the cache owner’s name and/or screen name and contact information in the event that the cache is in need of maintenance or needs to be removed from its location. Additional Information The Staff Orientation Guide for Geocaching at Parks Canada provides specific information for managing geocaching at national parks, national historic sites and national marine conservation areas. It includes direction for staff regarding placing, finding, archiving and monitoring caches, as well as direction for management of unauthorized caches. The Public Information Page for Geocaching at Parks Canada (available at LINK*) provides specific information for geocachers regarding how to find and place caches in Parks Canada’s national historic sites, national parks and national marine conservation areas. Special Thanks Parks Canada wishes to thank everyone who participated in the consultation to develop these guidelines. The involvement of various groups - including the geocaching community - was instrumental in finding a creative approach to offering geocaching in Canada’s national historic sites, national parks and national marine conservation areas in a manner that respects natural and cultural resources, promotes understanding and helps facilitate memorable visitor experiences. *Links to be provided when available (1) Trade items are not permitted in caches placed in national historic sites, parks and marine conservation areas managed by Parks Canada. Instead, an educational message about the cache’s specific or general location is included. (2) Geocachers are also encouraged to visit the Leave no Trace website at http://www.leavenotrace.ca. This website offers helpful principles for planning safe and environmentally respectful outdoor recreation activities. (3) There are five zones in Parks Canada’s zoning system for national parks: Zone I (Special Preservation), Zone II (Wilderness), Zone III (Natural Environment), Zone IV (Outdoor Recreation) and Zone V (Park Services) areas.

Duplicate tread, closing one.

I think this is where I close this topic with a reference to the Forum Guidelines. http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?act=boardrules Thank you and Happy Geocaching!

Actually, I think I will halt this here, if you have a problem with OGA, their forums or mailing list, take it up with the OGA. Since this is not related to the forums here or Geocaching.com, I am closing this thread. Thank you.

Do you have a Palm or other type item that will use the serial port? We recently picked up a Palm and that locked up the serial port on our laptop causing MapSource to no longer see the GPS. I had to install the newest MapSource at home to get the USB to work as I found the serial to stop working there also, our older GPS units do not have USB and the Laptop has a problem with the USB port (stress and broken connections between the port and PCB board, have to take it apart again but have to work on the power again also). The desktop problem is also the Palm software causing the issue, but did not figure it out until I had to on the road. To get MapSource (or nRoute, of which I don't like) to connect through the serial, I had to turn off the Palm software. For the Mac, I have not found anything I like yet for waypoint management or mapping as I prefer to use the Mac, so we bought an old Dell laptop and my better half has a PC desktop.

Moved to Geocaching.com Web Site forum.

I am currently discussing this issue with the CEC and it seems the event was held as scheduled, just very poorly attended.

As mentioned in the thread started last week in the General Geocaching Discussions forum http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=168652 centered on these coords, N59 59.922 W134 39.757 There seems to be nothing pending/rejected/archived nearby. They also mentioned the logbook was signed, I also don't see a puzzle or multi that ends there nearby, unless it is a really long distance multi cache. If I had more accurate coords I would be able to do a better search, but these coords are placed near the border on the bend.

Google Earth shows "a large turnout off of Highway 2 at the border between British Columbia and the Yukon Territories" (as the OP described) at N59 59.922 W134 39.757 Thanks, just finished a bout of reviewing and did not want to look through any more maps. Looking from those co-ordinates there is nothing pending/rejected/archived nearby.

What are the co-ordinates of this cache?

Hi, The link provided above is correct, but if the cache is disabled and missing(assumed not knowing which cache is to be adopted), why not have the cache archived and submit a new cache listing keeping the history intact of both cache generations at/near the location.If a new container is going to be placed in roughly the same place as the old one, I don't see the point in making it a new cache. It would merely show people a spot that they've seen before. If the original cache/logbook is missing and there is going to be a new cache owner, then it really is not the original cache. Since we don't know the cache in question, I don't know the complete situation and made a suggestion. If the cache has not been archived, then I would not really have to get involved from a reviewer standpoint yet, but can still provide a suggestion. From the perspective of the local cachers, it would be virtually the same cache; the same type of micro container, the same location, the same hide style. But if the original cache is missing, what is there to adopt? Will it be hidden in the same style, location or type of container? As I said, I am just giving a suggestion and opinion in an area I review and cache in. We still don't know which cache this is so I just have what was given to go on.

Hi, The link provided above is correct, but if the cache is disabled and missing(assumed not knowing which cache is to be adopted), why not have the cache archived and submit a new cache listing keeping the history intact of both cache generations at/near the location.If a new container is going to be placed in roughly the same place as the old one, I don't see the point in making it a new cache. It would merely show people a spot that they've seen before. If the original cache/logbook is missing and there is going to be a new cache owner, then it really is not the original cache. Since we don't know the cache in question, I don't know the complete situation and made a suggestion. If the cache has not been archived, then I would not really have to get involved from a reviewer standpoint yet, but can still provide a suggestion.

Hi, The link provided above is correct, but if the cache is disabled and missing(assumed not knowing which cache is to be adopted), why not have the cache archived and submit a new cache listing keeping the history intact of both cache generations at/near the location.

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It would be best to archive the old listing and create a new cache listing for the new location, as it will be a different cache hunt then the original cache location.