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Sinise ... mouth/smile ...
Oh, that's a generic smart@ss look. Anyone can pull that off.
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So, did you sign the log?
Sure, a find is a find. But I raised the question in the logs (see also GC2J5DE, GCJXWM).
In the past I've signed the log and then followed up with a NA log -- tacky, I know, but it made SUCH a fun picture holding the cache container up in front of the No Trespassing sign it was stuck to. Other times I'll log the find and send the reviewer a note, raising the the question in the background. It really does depend on the situation - sometimes there's no doubt about it and I feel like gotta log the NA, other times I feel okay to just sort of poke and prod around it.
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Please explain your basis for 99%.
Good challenge!
Admittedly from a US-centric position, where so much land is owned and/or managed, or claimed by SOMEONE, I think in principal 100% of cache placements should require permission from property owners, land managers, etc. The 99% figure is my wild uneducated guess about what percentage DON'T have any permission.
Might be a job for a GSAK guru to see how good my guess is. Anyone out there have a significant large cache database (several thousand) on hand, and able to query how many listings include the word "permission" or "approved" or "approval"?
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I can't solidly prove it yet, but it seems as if the most recent iOS update did degrade GPS performance a little. Takes longer to settle on a fix, bounces around a bit more. Can't be sure though, it's just a vague impression from a few outings. What are other users experiencing?
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Gary Sinise ... with beard..
Eh, maybe around the brow line, forehead, but not much else.
But that's not what you came here to talk about, is it?No, but that's okay. I've been compared to MUCH uglier people.
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All of our caches have been placed with permission without asking a single person. It is all implied permission, no where does it say we cannot place a cache in those spots. We were given implied permission to be there and do any legal activity at those places.
I don't quite understand this. Sounds like something I might have said to my parents when I was little.
"You never told me I *couldn't* do that!"
But you've hidden a lot of caches in a variety of areas -- would all of your placements be Frisbee safe?
Easy aphorism swiped from Mr. Yuck, he didn't tell me I couldn't.
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Around, but not actively caching except for the past couple of years..The OP has been around since 2001...
...I say the good old-fashioned Frisbee rule....Yeah, I like that. Simple, quotable, and it doesn't answrt the question unless people think about it. It's not so much that I care about expressed or implied permission -- but common sense should say if it's likely a constable or property owner could come along and run you off, it's probably not a good place for a cache.
I was on the fence about a couple of finds I made today. Or I should say the caches themselves were -- on fences, clearly INSIDE someone's property line. One of those fences was the 10' tall, barbed wire on top, surrounding vacant land owned by a business that put their signage out front. The other was on a chain link fence that ran between tow parcels in a residential neighborhood: one with a house on it, the other vacant. You had to reach into the vacant yard to grab a piece that had been added to the fence.
Do you call a Needs Archived on those? Send the reviewer a note? For all I know permission MIGHT have been granted, but the cache page didn't say so.
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I just moved six weeks ago to Amsterdam from the USA, and one of the interesting details here is even a lame micro requires permission from the city. There are however still a TON of geocaches everywhere, albeit a lot more emphasis on puzzles and multis. So hey based off of this experience if the same thing happened in the USA we would all survive somehow.
Good response! I admit I was posting from a US-centric, urban-cache biased point of view; it's interesting to hear what happens elsewhere. So forcing people to get permission, and the emphasis on puzzles/multies -- do you think the caches and the game itself is any more or less fun to play?
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...Gary Sinise...
You're kidding, right? That's about as silly as my opening remark. Find me a picture of Sinise with a beard and before I will even consider if this comment has merit.
Seriously, that picture is off of one of my ID cards from work. Many of my co-workers think I look like our branch chief. We once swapped badges to see if security at the front desk would notice (they didn't). And I have on other ocassions mockingly imitated him -- sometimes to his face, other times not...
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Sorry Brian, the rest of the post that you say won't read explained the opening premise.Before I read the rest of your post you're going to have to convince me, and I think most geocachers, that this statement has merit. Go for it. -
The ones likely to go for torches and pitchforks might be those who have reason to feel a bit defensive. But yes, the opening salvo was also a test of attention span and reading comprehension.
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If you take Geocaching Guidelines as law and also take local/state/federal ordinances into account, 99% or more of all caches should be archived.
Parking lots? Lamp posts and power poles? Street signs? Guard rails? Bus shelters? All are either private property or protected by various "do not tamper" or "no loitering" ordinances. Parks and other "public" lands? All managed and maintained by government agencies who might say yes or might say no to geocaching, but the majority of cache owners don't bother to ask.
If the description page for any cache does't explicitly say "Permission granted for this location by…" and name a person or agency who authorized it, and if reviewers aren't willing or able to check that authorization, Ithe caches should NOT be approved.
I suggest temporarily disabling ALL caches that do not already have this permission info in their description, and if the pages aren't updated and permissions confirmed within 45 days, the caches should not only be archived but even removed from archival viewing. If these leads to a collapse of Geocaching, well, better to be a law abiding citizen than a lawbreaking thrill seeker.
What do you think?
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By the way, I was just kidding up there; purposely taking some reasonable ideas to absurd extremes. But I do think it's worth discussing where to draw the line between legalism and common sense. I'd be interested in hearing how some people would answer any of those objections to specific cache placements. Especially if you've ever had a placement denied (or archived) for any of those reasons. In the meantime, I'm gonna go out today and find a few caches placed without proper permission. Hope to crack 500 today.
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I have one on order from REI and I'm a little surprised how long it's taking to become available.
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If Garmin and the other companies do not changes their strategy and tactics, they will be struggling to make profit in few years I think much earlier than 2020
And here's the flip side to something I said in my last post: You're underestimating Garmin and/or overestimating the importance of handheld, personal GPS units.
Garmin IS already diversified and active in several market segments. Software. Aviation GPS. Fleet trackers. Even dog collars. They even offer Android and iPhone software now. They're not going away, they're just going someplace you aren't looking.
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that's quite a bold statement, literally, he doesn't say "may no longer be available" he is actually making a statement with certainty..Sure, you may still be able to find these products for sale in certain niche stores, but they will no longer be produced for a mass-market audience.Not so bold and certain as just sloppy, imprecise writing.
...to me that is ignorance more so since he doesn't even mention geocaching, there's millions of us out there
Now that's just you not understanding the scale of some markets.
Millions? A few hundred thousand active cachers worldwide, tops, for an activity that's been around for over ten years. And of those, very very few who have a GPS only for geocaching.
By contrast, there are many millions of GPS chipsets produced annually for myriad products that AREN'T stand-alone, handheld, geocaching or hiking units. Car-nav units of the nuvi, navigon, tom-tom class outnumber handheld/hiking GPSR unit sales, many times over. And even among handheld GPSRs, those sold specifically for geocaching (as compared to hiking, search and rescue work, surveying, etc) are a tiny fraction of the market.
And to me, that's what the article was really stating. Not that you won't be able to buy a stand-alone GPS in 2020, just that you won't be as likely to find them at mass marketers like Target, Walmart, or Bestbuy. You'll still be able to find them at REI, Cabelas, etc - specialty items from specialty vendors.
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If you read the article intro...
and specifically what it says about stand-alone GPS devices...Sure, you may still be able to find these products for sale in certain niche stores, but they will no longer be produced for a mass-market audience.If there is a demand for these GPS systems, it will likely come from a very specific segment of consumers.I'm not sure how anyone could vehemently disgree with such a soft and generalized prediction. Geocachers as a group are indeed a "very specific segment" as are outdoor adventurers and hikers. But that's not the mass market that's going away. Joe Naviguesser who needs a GPS to find Walmart is the mass market -- and he's got that feature in his cellphone.
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GLONASS capability will not (can not) improve accuracy unless you're already in EXTREMELY marginal reception conditions but have a better view of satellites from that system than the existing GPS space segment. And as the existing GPS constellation is currently much better populated than GLONASS, that would rarely happen.
This is true no matter whose GPS+GLONASS receiver you're using. For now, having both in a single receiver is a feature meant for international marketing and dodging tariffs -- not performance.
Regarding 4 versus 4S GPS performance (apart from GLONASS capabaility), I'm curious about this myself but haven't had a chance to do any side by side testing. I won't be getting a 4S for myself at least until Feb'12 (if at all), but I will definitely try to find an opportunity to compare as soon as one of my co-workers upgrades his phone.
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Actually, if you look at recent completed auctions on eBay and compare spot pricing for 3rd party new and used at CamelCamelCamel -- it's not impossible that you could get around $250-260. But probably not in this forum -- most of the folks here are looking for bargains and/or very specific geocaching features the 60csx doesn't have. Between $200-220 would probably make for a fast sale in this garage sale; at the $180 price point it'd be gone practically before you hit the "post" button to submit your ad.
Try eBay or your local craigslist, you'll probably get a better price there.
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And... Garmin is working on their own iPhone dongle for Chirp and other capabilities -- ANT+ ain't just about Chirp, after all.
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GeoBeacon, works with Wahoo Fisica key on iPhone
http://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/geobeacon/id449451508
I haven't used this myself, but I think NorthernPenguin has ...
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Ah well, theres on harm. Anything that keeps your post on top.
And no real reason to be grumpy or even touchy about it. Yinnies was say your price was a steal, I was saying it may not be a steal but still an okay price, and both of us were suggesting other venues where you might sell it easier (eBay, craigslist). Only one person suggested you can LOWER your price and you can write that off to the usual
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I have removed my comment about your pricing.if you are not interested in buying the unit, please refrain from postingBut I love the irony. In an open forum and it's impossible to keep folks from commenting. In a garage sale, silly to think folks won't haggle. And best of all, after you bought this GPS from Gander Mountain back in June, you didn't mind commenting about price and rebates on it in someone else's thread, even though you weren't interested in buying theirs.
http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=275208&view=findpost&p=4742329
http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=275208&view=findpost&p=4745465
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To "get all the features you want" I'd say buy two devices -- one for the car and one for the great outdoors.
Many modern outdoor/handheld GPSRs can do turn-by-turn directions, though on a small screen and without spoken directions. And some meant primarily meant for auto navigation (with larger screens and spoken directions) can also be used for geocaching, though you'll be picking over trade-offs in size/weight/ruggedness/battery life.
What's your price range? What's your intended mix of use? Mostly road navigation? Mostly outdoors? Geocaching only, or a significant part of your time on other outdoor activities (cycling, hiking, urban exploring, kayaking, etc)?
Legality or common sense?
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How would you have handled it? These are often a matter of degree, from "no problem" to "is this right?" to "nah, this CIN'T be right!" and qut e few shades In between.
Take the two you're gripping about here: The first one apparently inside the property line in a residential area; the other hidden inside a tall exclusion fence in an industrial park. No mention of permission on the cache page, though that latter one explicitly warms people not to try it during business hours.
Your call, what do you do on these?