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    Physical geocaches prohibited in ABDSP?

    in West and Southwest

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    Since the geocaching.com google maps clearly show the boundaries of that park and the relationship to any geocaches, why would they bother with mapsource?

     

    I wouldn't trust the gc.com google maps either. I know of a few instances where the Google maps are innacurate in regards to managing agency/management status.

    Don't ask Don't Tell = bad idea!

    in General geocaching topics

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    To get back more to the original point, permission is a good idea, yes. But the idea of an outright ban on physical geocaches in a park that is one of the only ones in CA that allows primitive camping ANYWHERE in the park without permission, and brags about it's 500 miles of offroad vehicle trails accessible without permission, seems to be an over the top reaction in my book.

    *Definitely* over the top and an over reaction.4x4's create much more damage than an ammo can hidden in a pile of rocks IMO. Although it could be argued that poeple use the 4x4's to get to the caches which may be off trail.

     

    Really...What evidence do you have of that? Any vehicle operating on the 4wd roads within ABDSP MUST be street licensed AND operating on existing roads. If they are not, then they are breaking the law.

    how to find archived caches?

    in Website

    Posted · Edited by karstic

    I almost wonder if it was cause whatever problem happened the first time to repeat with a later cache since you would have to know who placed caches in the area, or what the ID numbers were instead of being able to easily pan a map and see if there was anything there in the past .
    It strikes me that this reasoning (which is sound, IMO) outweighs, or at least counters, the reasoning that by not showing archived caches at all people will stay out of sensitive areas.

     

    Here's an example...

    Maybe that's a better example for why not to show archived caches. That cache brought people to the site of a plane wreck that the forest service considered "a protected historic site". In general, the forest service does not like letting the general public know where these sites are - whether they are on planewrecks.com or geocaching.com - because they see any additional traffic as potentially damaging to the site. By allowing one to search for archived caches it might be possible to find the site of the wreck. Even if all you got was the link to the archived cache, that could encourage additional traffic. So what if you can't place another cache there - wouldn't you be interested in visiting the "forbidden" site. You might even place a cache nearby and encourage people to visit the wreck when they go to your cache. By making it hard to search for such caches GC.com may help prevent more damage. Of course, the reviewers still have access to the nearest archived caches, so if another cache was placed there they could deny that placement under the current guidelines.

     

    There may be other examples where knowing that a landowner/manager objected to a previous cache would be useful to someone contemplating placing a cache. Not every instance should the locations be hidden. But you picked a bad example to make your point.

     

    Maybe that's why the "Archived Search" should be allowed. Our public land managers are using the tool of closure and exclusion more and more instead of actual management.

     

    Don't want to deal with the public on public lands? Just lock 'em out.

     

    Want to create a new Wilderness Area. Just erase the 4wd tracks and minng ruins from the map. Voila an area untrammeled by man suitable for a new Wilderness Area.

     

    Geocaching is a historical part of our public lands, albeit a very brief and most likely insignificant part, along with all the other human uses of our public lands.

     

    Some of us a very interested in what WAS there, even if it was only a few years ago.

     

    Another VOTE for the archived search.

    Calling all Jeeps!

    in General geocaching topics

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    Jeeps? Those aren't real Jeeps. This is a real Jeep.

    1947 Willys CJ2A. All original except for the seats and converted to 12V. Engine, the original flathead GoDevil, has never been apart and doesn't use a drop of oil.

     

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    Now, that's a Jeep! I admit to being a wuss--I drive a red Cherokee, which I'm getting ready to trade in for a four-door Wrangler Ulimited (moving from Chicago to Southern California).

     

     

    But when I was a kid, I used to drive a jeep exactly like yours all over the hunting preserve at Fort Knox, Kentucky. We'd occasionally stray onto the military reservation, and the MPs would take ten minutes admiring the Jeep before they ran us off.

     

    Keep the Cherokee!!!

    Any Equestrian Geocachers out there?

    in General geocaching topics

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    There are a modest number of folks caching from horseback here in Central Florida. I make my living as a trainer (dressage). I find getting the horses loaded and hauled more of a PITA than it's worth, and typically the cache isn't that close to legal horse trail. So somebody has to hold horses while somebody else goes after cache.

     

    There is a park stretching halfway across Florida, the Marjorie Harris Carr Greenway - what became of the massive Cross Florida Barge Canal project. It's generally about a mile wide and runs from Ocala to the west coast. Has horse, hike, bike trail all paralleling along its distance. Probably the best place in Fl for horse back caching. You're never very far from the "other" trail. And some multi use trails in the National Forests.

     

    Place one at 'X'

     

    Wife's at 4th level and Pas de Deux :blink:

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