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Actually i don't think 5 bucks are all that expensive for them, considering postage is paid on them as well. Don't forget you have to think about material costs to mail them , manhours to print the decals and put them on the bags. I bought 2 military style dog tags a month or so ago at an army surplus store and they cost $8. That was with us standing there waiting for them, and no postage, no fancy bagging and not nearly as nice. I like them so much that I put hte copy tag on my keychain of the first bug we placed out last weekend. We will probably put out one this weekend sometime and the copy is going with the other one. Will do that until I get a bunch and then will put them somewhere else. Perhaps a notebook with a printout of the initial Travel bug page. Brian Wood Woodsters Outdoors http://www.woodsters.com

Well if you are going to buy a number, then you might as well just get their tracking tag and include one of your own with the information and design you want. THe next thing we will have is TB approvers....hehe Yeah I do hear a lot about a bunch of them going MIA. But if people just printed up something, then someone would go and buy a bag of armymen and attach a tracker to each one and start dropping them all over. Or something somewhat similar. I think that ordering the TB, having to wait for them, will make some of those type think that a $1 bag worth of army men (50 army men?) is not worth $5 a piece or more (cost of the TB) . I have no problem with a homemade system as I stated about the coins. Depending on the hitchhiker or bug, I would probably help out a TB with the bought tag before I would one that I wasn't too sure of. Like I sated, it's a significance (the metal tag). Those who already cache know exactly what they are when they hear that tag and chain rattling. Brian Wood Woodsters Outdoors http://www.woodsters.com

Looks like everyone has rules....even though we don't agree with them...and as stupid as they sound. Brian Wood Woodsters Outdoors http://www.woodsters.com

Don't worry it was all hypothetical , i'm not going to place a cache in augusta. And if I do, I will be a "local" ...lmao One question though... No caches on military installations? Brian Wood Woodsters Outdoors http://www.woodsters.com

I didn't see the caches for the other 2 states and didn't read the 2 I mentioned. I was backing my point as that people can find a place that is a good virtual while traveling and make it such. I'm sure plenty of people can come up with some good ones as well. Yes I did look at the profile. Others do that when pointing fingers and saying "get more finds under your belt" or "place a cache and you will understand". Puhlease! If you have read my posts, I stated that no physical cache should be placed by someone that has no knowledge of htat area or does not have a means to maintain it. i.e. the infamous "Vacation Caches". There's no reason why anyone can't place a virtual cache. I agree about it being historic of NPS. But I can tell you from cache pages I've seen that there are virtuals that have gotten approved recently that are not of such things. I believe virtuals belong in a seperate area than physical caches. Brian Wood Woodsters Outdoors http://www.woodsters.com

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4 megs!? Holy Moly! I think that is about 3 megs and 900k too much. If every picture was 4 megs, then those of us on dialup will have a hard a time. They are simply pictures and not art. I have a feeling he will change that around somewhat down the road. Brian Wood Woodsters Outdoors http://www.woodsters.com

I would email them and tell them. It might of been an honest mistake or they didn't know how... Brian Wood Woodsters Outdoors http://www.woodsters.com

Yes 6 days is too long, as you stated depending on circumstances. One of our first caches stated it had a certain travel bug in it and it didn't. Then it had another TB that wasn't logged when we set out, but was logged when we returned. The cache owner finally made a log entry about the TB was not there and that whoever took it, did not log it. I would say out of those extreme times like the marathons leprechauns were speaking of, that I would not take a travel bug if I weren't going to be able to log it very soon. That's my opinion though. But as they stated in those circumstances that you could significantly help it along it's journey, then that's a gray area. I would at least try to log on somewhere. A lot of hotels now, have computers that you can use. Or you could go to a local library, internet cafe, or somewhere like Kinkos. Brian Wood Woodsters Outdoors http://www.woodsters.com

why not just put what you want on a website of your own? You started one for a TB right? Just put what you want on it or another one and post the URL to it when referring to it. Will definitely save on the speed, headaches associated, and definitely the cost of things. Brian Wood Woodsters Outdoors http://www.woodsters.com

Hasn't happened here. Got some notices last night on a cache we were watching and a TB of ours, but they weren't repeats. Brian Wood Woodsters Outdoors http://www.woodsters.com

I believe it's of personal preference. Personally we wouldn't do it. You never know is on it or if it will harm your system or not. I know those that really anti adult caches, will not want to get a disc and put in their computer and their screen fill with all kind of such things. If you do it and have kids, i would definitely not put it in the computer with them around. Just as you really don't want them going and opening a cache and find something in they shouldn't be seeing. Brian Wood Woodsters Outdoors http://www.woodsters.com

Another point comes up. If a person caches all around (mulitple states) and don't post a location of where they are from , like many on here, then how would an approver know or not if they are from that area and are capable of maintianing it? Especially If that person has several caches found in the area that they want to place the cache? I'm sure, except with the obvious times, that the approvers will probably say that they can not 100% guarantee that the person requesting to have a cache approved is a local to that area. If they can, I would like to know how. Brian Wood Woodsters Outdoors http://www.woodsters.com

I didn't say that people should place physical caches on vacation. Vacation meaning somewhere they know nothing about and don't have the means of having the physical cache maintained. If I decide to go take my kids to Disneyworld for a vacation, then no I shouldn't place a physical cache, but why couldn't I post a virtual cache? People already complain about virtuals, why not make them seperate like benchmarks? Have them available for those who like to do them and maybe only physically capable of doing those (handicapped?). And yes if someone wnated to place a physical cache while on vacation they could and get it listed on the site. Easily. Of the over 8000 profiles here, how many do you think are fake? I know they can track the IP number on the accounts and match them up, but it's would be simple for someone to use seperate ISP's, producing different IP addresses or even have someone that lives in that area post it on the internet themselves for them. If people want to do it, they will. Brian Wood Woodsters Outdoors http://www.woodsters.com

quote:Originally posted by Tikiroy: I almost feel the way you do about virts, but my wife has a passion for these. Her logic is this...if you are on an out-of-town trip and want to see unique places and things, what better way then to have the locals guide you to those things not listed anywhere else. We just got back from vacation to Az. & Ca. and saw much more interesting sites than we would have if we just followed the state propaganda pamphlets. They are also fun to find without using a map at all...you never know where you'll end up, but we eventually found all the ones we were looking for. A cache in some of these would have made it more interesting for me, but I could see why some of these must remain in the virtual world. "There's so much comedy on television. Does that cause comedy in the streets?" Your wife is a very smart lady! Toom many virtuals would be like saying there are too many caches. You don't have to do them, but they are there for those who do like them. It's like saying there are too many caches that 1/1. You don't have to do them, but for those who are only physically able to do those, it's great. Brian Wood Woodsters Outdoors http://www.woodsters.com

quote:Originally posted by GeoGryffindor:I get sick of people complaining about virtuals. If you don't want to do them, don't do them, but let those of us who do want to do them have them. I agree with that! Brian Wood Woodsters Outdoors http://www.woodsters.com

hehe...some people all take it a little personal, glad you and a few others don't. Someone has a tag line of something like "I've never learned anything from a man I agree with". And it is so very true. We all have to agree that the system is not perfect. And people do bring up good ideas that can enhance the system and the experience, whether they just signed up on the board or have been here 2 years. Work smarter and not harder. I agree I would hate to go and find a cache that isn't maintained. That day is coming, and I know it. A little sceario: You have an inmate. You tell him don't go over there. Will they listen to you? No. They will eventually go over "there" for some reason. Maybe just to spite you. But if you put up a deterence, lets say a fence, will they go over there? Perhaps one day they will make it over the fence if hte guard is let down, but more than likely not. At least not as easily. Is it going to be easier on you with the fence or just having to tell them "Not to do it"? You also have to look at the future of the sport and it's growth. The site has been around 3 years and there are already over 58,000 caches in 177 different countries. Where will it be in 3 more years? With the help of all the media and the acceptance it's getting, who knows? You have to work towards the future and not for today. I used to work for the State of Georgia for about 8 yrs. They worked on a system that didn't work on preventing things. They waited till someone got hurt or even killed and then changed the rules. They may still work that way, I don't know, I haven't worked for them in over 3 or 4 years. Brian Wood Woodsters Outdoors http://www.woodsters.com

How long before you got their did they take the bug? I've wondered about this when going to grab a bug. What if someone went after it right then and beat me to it? I would assume they would log it in online, but how long should they wait? Personally I think it should be logged immediately (within a couple of hours or so) and that if they can't then they don't need to take it. Will keep people off wild goose chases. Brian Wood Woodsters Outdoors http://www.woodsters.com

quote:Originally posted by BassoonPilot: quote:Yes, but such a person is probably learning a great deal about their new area by placing those caches. That's a positive, right? Not necessarily. A lot do not know of areas that others may. Then it's too bad that person hadn't placed caches when they were a resident there But people learn about it after they left or later down the road. quote:I don't understand why you would waste so much time, effort, and apparently passion arguing against policies and processes you have "no plans" or interest in utilizing. Because it's something I believe in. Why waste your time disagreeing with me now? Why do others waste their time in disagreeing with me when someone can easily make a fake profile and place a cache whereever they want? I'm sure there are many people who do it. There was also a point that Coastcachers made that was misinterpreted by many on here that saw 2 words and became offended. quote:The rest of your post degenerated into a rant, so perhaps you should follow your own advice and "go with the flow." No it was not a rant. It was a statement. People get set in one way and believe there is no other way. I think it would be best to help the sport grow and be more friendly for many new cachers to come. I am "flowing"! Brian Wood Woodsters Outdoors http://www.woodsters.com

You could always just mention two simple words, VACATION CACHE. The thread will endo n some peoples screens, because they are afraind of the word an beat their monitor with a bat in hopes of killing it. Brian Wood Woodsters Outdoors http://www.woodsters.com

Posted this on the other forum, but add a Guestbook to the geocities site, so people can log it's travel. Brian Wood Woodsters Outdoors http://www.woodsters.com

Ok so by the definitions you defined as a local. Then you are only a local of where you are residing. I can see what you are saying. But the problem is you have people that know nothing about an area that place caches. Some cache finders miss out on some great places to see and maneuver to, because someone who just left an area they lived in most of their life knows better. I also mentioned before that what is a person could maintain a cache like that? I've not placed a cache and I have no plans too. But how often does a cache placer, go to their cache physically? Do they do it on their own or by reading the online log? A person could live 150 miles away or farther, but travel home every week or every other week. I doubt if those who place many caches or even many those that place a couple go to their caches every week or every other week. I know of a person here in this area that goes to one of his own often, but it is only a little more than a 1/10th of a mile on a path. He merely goes from what it appears to swap out travel bugs that get in there. Those who have 10 or caches would have a hard time going to their cache anymore often than that depending on the difficulty. There are different circumstances all around. I'm not discussing this point as a fact of something I want to do, but of a point that sometimes we become narrowminded on some things and certain subjects. I've experienced living in an area for a long time, and i've experienced living somewhere for a short time. Peoples life events change. Should those people in the military not place caches? After all they move around or could be sent off to places like Afghanistan and Iraq, not to mention a few others. Military get sent TDY all the time. I went to Panama for 3 months. That is obviously a period of time that I could not properly maintain a cache. It happens all the time and sometimes suddenly without warning. It's nothing you can do to stop. Just as you aren't going to stop those who do it. By saying "you have to place a cache local to you" is not going to make people place caches only local to them. It's paddling upstream. Go with the flow and accept the obstacles that there are. Work on making the system foolproof. And goodluck on that. Brian Wood Woodsters Outdoors http://www.woodsters.com

quote:Originally posted by King Pellinore:Rogla now has his/her own web page http://www.geocities.com/roglacat If you have had contact with Rogla, please write me a note or send pix for the site! King Pellinore You might want to add the guestbook feature to your geocities site so people can post on it where it is traveling. Brian Wood Woodsters Outdoors http://www.woodsters.com

What is considered a local? Someone who lives there, right now? Is there a time frame that a person must live in an area that constitutes them a local? I moved 1000 miles back in January. I lived in the previous place for over 20 years of my 34 years. I've lived here, what 6-7 months? Which area do i know more about? The place I moved from is my hometown. Am I no longer a part of them because I moved away for what may be a short period of time? I agree, someone that is traveling, on vacation, or have no real sense of the area and has no way of keeping a physical cache maintained, should not place a physical one. Can they place a virtual? Sure why not? Let virtuals be seperate from physicals, just as benchmarks are. It won't add #'s to your physical finds, which so many portray that their experience is higher because of. But it will add to the fun of the sport to try and find places that others have marked. It doesn't have to be maintained. If the coordinates are wrong which happens sometimes to the veterans on their own caches which are in their local area, then they get deleted, archived or whatever unless someone corrects it. Brian Wood Woodsters Outdoors http://www.woodsters.com