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I was inspired with someone elses cache(actually had already thought of it, but never acted) that I decided to make a couple of my own. Coming to new caches soon. What do ya think?

I think the reply you will get is that there is one already somewhere else. I don't think grounspeak wants to get involved with such a thing... geocaching

right on...geocaching

Sounds like a great idea El diablo...I think the regional bit would be awesome. That way, everything is not concentrated in just one area. Perhaps the associations can input in on it as well. I emailed you before, but never heard anything. Let me know what I can do....

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I disagree

The smallest we've seen has been a tiny dental floss box. I was expecting a normal size, but this was about the size of the breath strip boxes. May a tad bigger. Big enough for a quarter to fit in as that's the type of caceh it was and was at a cemetary...

Yep someone is bound to tell on you or even worst, ask if it's ok to leave a cache.

So much for accepting criticism, eh? lol I guess it was construed as personal attacks, no?

The debate can be argued from both sides, well. The rules and laws are written for the benefit of those who enforce them. They can be vivid or not vivid at all. It leaves room for interpretation, benefitting those who enforce of course. As others have stated, there is some rule/law that they can tie in to geocaching. It doesn't have to state the word "geocache" in it and mostly like won't unless there's is a direct movement against it and also if there is some resistance. We, as geocachers agree that a cache is not trash, at least not to us. To others, it may be. To me an empty soda can is trash, to my son, it's 5 cents. When we moved up here to New England this past year, all the stuff we sat out by the road while loading the moving truck was trash to us. To the guys moving in the people that bought our house, a lot of it wasn't trash. I think a lot of it has to do with the support and heat they get and from where. As one mentioned about the permit and the park bench process, it all done because of some nitwit somewhere putting heat to them about the "environment". So to keep the pc-ness, they do "environmental studies". We all agree it's a bunch of hogwash, but it's part of life in these here United States. Everyone has a right. Whether it's for or against. I believe the overall look at getting approval is a PR thing. Yes we can go and hide caches places and not ask permission on public lands. We un hte chance of them telling us to remove or as some letters have stated even worse. Most people spend a good bit of money to throw away on a single cache. Of course we run into that with muggles anyway. I think the better we PR the sport, the better it will be in the long run. We may get some resistance at first, but if we keep trying, we will victor. We know the sport is no worse than any other things recognized and allowed. Geocaching.com can not control what goes on physically off the site and with cache placements. We as cachers can try to help control it, but land managers can play a big role in helping control some of the negative aspects of it.

Yes you may... just kidding ya.. Some moderation is needed. Off topic posts are not harmful. Ones that attack others, calls them names, profane and etc., I can see as being moderated. Being silly or going off topic, no, unless it includes those above things. Closing a thread is not needed, except for the scammer who's thread was deleted about getting rich quick and other ones like that. But otherwise, I see no need in it. Cut off the abusers, not those enjoying the service....

If I remember right, you didn't say if you feel you are an ankle biter then you are one. I believe you spoke in reference as to calling people ankle biters and then summed it up later as it was in reference to those acting like children. Either way if you say people are acting like children or calling them ankle biters, is it any different than other personal attacks when people call others losers, crybabies and etc? I believe you know exactly what all the unrest is about as well as what problems and posts people are talking about. Pull the moderator logs and look at them. I'm sure you will know exactly what happens or has happened. It's the same stuff as last week and the week before that.

someone needs to warn benjamin...this topic has nothing to do with gps's or cahing for all thatmatter. Keep it on topic!

Hey no response is a yes, right?

I could make a fortune....

Well whether or not your payment affects the message board, your experience here affects your payment. I would gather to say that the premium membership fees do help out a great bit now, seeing as a new server was puchased and different software. I also think that if enough people were "affected" and they let it "affect" their pockets, then the site would be "affected" as well. As Hydee put it. There are thousands of other message boards out there, were you can talk about off topic stuff. Hey some even let you talk about geocaching too! Just ask around, they will tell you were you can go...I mean ask another member here. I know if you ask TPTB where to go, you might not like the answer...lmao

One last thing also. I know as both a law enforcement officer and a correctional officer (both state and federal), that I appreciated it when someone advised me that they were going to do something or be somewhere in advance. Even when they asked, I was more apt to say ok. But if they went and did it anyway, I considered it a slap in the face and didn't handle it as nicely. Of course those were on things that had rules. But my feeling is that I feel that it's respect. I hope that when I give others respect, that I will get it as well. Sometimes it doesn't work that way, many times it does.

Unfortunately it only takes a few bad apples to ruin hte bunch. We've all heard that stat statement before. It's true. Just as in the news. How often do they show the good versus the bad? The negativity always gets ahead. Your right, we shouldn't be succumbed to that of the lowest. But when we are not making the decisions, we have to live them. As about the prison, um well I will never tell.

What gets me, I've heard it said before and then just in another thread that was nailed shut by a moderator, but that the purpose of the message board is to get people out caching...that doesn't make since. I think the message board is to keep us here posting, debating and and not going after caches. I remember the comment on the website when the board was down, that there was an influx of found caches with a snide remark to follow. So, having no message board is what really gets people out caching... Then the "on/off topic" thing...puh lease....There are many topics alive and well over here that has nothing to do with geocaching, with exception the word geocahing might be in it.

I typed this earlier but think i hit "Close Fast Reply" instead of adding it. But anyway, something that Ju66l3r stated made me think of this. Just as some think this is "my land" and I can do what I want, remember that someone else will think that it is "their land" as well and don't want you doing it. Which usually results in rules and so forth being made. Each side has their own right, right? Criminal, I agree in respect that you don't have to ask permission to do things. That's one great thing about our country. But my opinion is slighlty different when it comes to this. It would be one thing if no one had a problem with it. But the fact is that there has been some negativity towards it. I'm not here to try and change minds. I'm just expressing an opinion. I've done it all, military, worked for the state, worked for the federal government, and most of it in Law Enforcement. I've had to deal with some rediculous rules that really made no sense and then had to make a decision that could of been avoided when obviously there needed to be a rule. The rules that are in place are usually there after something has happened. Especially with the state I worked for, they waited for someone to get hurt or even killed and then say ok we need to make a rule. Common sense should be the victor. But it isn't. Just like when I went to work for the state of Georgia at a womens prison. A sex scandal started in the state with the female prisoners (not at the prison I was at).Long story short, they were taking female prisoners to motels and having sex and pimping them out basically. As a newly hired person of all of about a month, I watched the assistant director of the state say on a national news program, that he didn't know it was against the law to have sex with inmates. Duh!? Common sense would tell you that. Well now that have a rule/law about it. Or at least they had one very shortly after that, because every employee in the agency had to go through special training. The basis of the story is that common sense does not always work. The idiots make it bad on the rest of us. Just like those who do abandon caches and let them become litter, rot and damage it's surroundings. That's why my opinion is that I would rather have a relationship with the person managing the land. I would like for them to know what is going on. To keep them informed of what is going on. As others have pointed out that cachers are greats ears and eyes for them, just as hunters normally are. I look at it as I'm going to take care of you and you take care of me.

We've found several from cemetaries. I've always wondered about the 'respect" issue as I can see how we look wandering around a cemetary. Back home (Georgia) most of the cemetaries I had been to, the graves were usually marked off with marble edging around and have gravel on top. You know where not to walk! But I've noticed up here in New England where the oldest cemetaries in the US are, that there is no defining each grave. So when we walk around, we feel like we are walking on a grave. Which I guess we are. The caches we found at cemetaries are usually in the stonewalls around them. Some require the use of a headstone in the cemetary while others haven't. On had us do a puzzle using headstones and it lead us to a pathway into the woods in the cemetary. That was kind of creepy to do because it was around dusk when we found it...

It will still have a better resale value than a Ford Explorer made in the same year.

Yes, good luck.... along with the family activity and the CITO you already mentioned, it may result to meeting htem in person, take a cache and the gps with you. On your way to the office, drop the cache off on the premises and mark it with your gps. Then show them what it's all about. I wouldn't put any knives or anything in it tohugh...lol

I've asked 3 places... 1) City parks of Leominster- Emailed the director and got a response saying sure that they have heard of geocaching beofre. Said I could place in any city of Leominster park. 2) City parks of Fitchburg - Emailed the director and got a response back stating that I could come to a town meeting (month or so away from that time) and present it. Never did as I received permission from the other city. If later I would like to get permission there, then I will contact them again and go to a meeting to present. 3) An un-named conservation trust - Contacted via email from their website. Website promotes hiking and etc as well as the brochures at the parking area of the trust I found. There are several lands within the trust and I expressed that I would only place a cache in those that they ok'ed and etc. Received a reply back that they would discuss it at their next meeting. Meeting passed and I waited a couple weeks. Emailed the officer back that replied to me. Said they were thinking about it, but hte fact was that someone before had placed caches there and they considered it litter. That was months ago since my last contact. I take that as a no. Actually it is a no, until otherwise told yes. The problem I have with this one, is that the officer that contacted me promotes their business through this website. Sends a message to me of "we know what geocaching is and it makes us money, but we think that it is littering and won't allow it on lands we manage"...at least that's my first instinct of it....

Criminal, I agree with what you say, about you should be able to do it. The fact is, that you always can't. Some are going to see it our (geocachers) way. Others aren't. They will have their reasons (hence my thread on reasons). We can make geocaching a recognized outdoor sport like hiking, biking, and etc. It's going to take positive movements in doing so. Just as some of the associations were built to do. The negative impact that we make in the impressions of the minds of the LM's will not help, but deteriate the relationships that people are trying to build or that could be built. I would much rather prefer to know that a LM says it's ok to do it on their lands, than to have to worry of receiving an email telling me to remove it in the future. Then you will have others on here who will not like you and report things. You won't knwo who, you may have an idea, but we all rub others here the wrong way. Heck I know in my case of an approver going out of their way to search my find list of a cache and archive it because I questioned the type of cache it was that got approved when talking about inconsistency. Not only archive it, but place a message on it to forward the complaints to me. It wil lbe rather easy for someone to look up your caches and then start contacting the land managers. It would be worse than pirates....