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When i nthe Air Force I had to go to court due to a traffic ticket that I wrote someone that wanted to contest it. This was on a military base, but was a County Judge ( can't remember if it was Los Angelese or Kern county though). The ticket was for a non military person who was employed by NASA. Myself and about 4 or 5 other Security Policemen were there that day for contested tickets. The Judge started the day off with telling those who were contesting that they only have to be proven of exceeding the speed limit by 1 mile an hour (these were speeding cases of course) to be considered guilty. No matter if they were charged with 5, 10, 20 or more. If the speed limit was 55 and you were exceeding that, then you are guilty. He gave them a chance to stop their conestions before proceeding on. He told them they could exit and go pay the clerk their fines. If they decided to continue to contest it, then if found guilty they would not only pay the fine, but they would pay court costs as well and there was something else as well but can't remember. All exited the courtroom except one knucklehead who was driving like 90 in a 55 and his defense was that we shouldn't have "unmarked" police cars. Needless to say, he lost. A judge is going to use whatever definition they want to use. Their definition may not agree with yours. But yours doesn't matter unless you can convince them otherwise. On clear cut case like that or "littering" all I can say is good luck. Just in the situation I explained, the judges opinion was that you were guilty at 1 mile an hour over the posted speed limit. I'm sure the peoples opinion was that they were not guilty of going the speeds they went, although they knew they were speeding. And we never wrote for anything less than 10 miles an hour and over. Our radars were tuned and we produced certificates as such. I could agree a couple miles an hour difference in some peoples speedometers and the radar, but not 10.

I'll never tell....stating so may incriminate myself.

Starting to sound like others, but shouldn't this be in the "Announcements" forum?

Welcome to the club. Has happened to me here as well, except my resulted in the cache being archived. And then unarchived and then the owner getting harassed via email by others. Now he's upset with me. I've heard things through the rumor mill of them talking flak, but oh well. I didn't say anything in their log bad. I brought up a type of cache that I did that according to the guidelines should not of been approved. It was in a discussion of incosistencies. On my part an admin person seeked out the cache and archived as well as removing my find on it and then posting a message to send all complaints to me. Hopefully that won't happen to you. After I brough that to the forums, it was all reversed and I received an apology from TPTB. Nothing wrong with constructive criticism. Sometimes the truth hurts, but I do agree though that probably an emial first would of been better. And then if you got some flak from them or no response, then maybe send an email to approvers for that area about it and for them to keep an eye out.

If the thread is fine with the exception of the above referenced "derailment". Why not remove or repair the cars that may cause a derailment and let the train continue on? If you take up the tracks, then everyone on board gets killed, just because of a couple of bad cars in the bunch...You already know they are on wobbly wheels. Allow them to fix them or remove them from the rest of the train. The train has a mission.... ChoooChooo!

You could check with DirecTv on their Direcway. Equipment is around $500-600 and the normal monthly cost is like $60-70. It's high speed. They have some other payment plans where you pay like $99 for a year or two and it pays for hte equipment and the service, then after that, it's the normal price. I know when the installer put our DirecTv in I specifically asked him about taking the satellite with us in our camper we had. I asked because there were questions about it in a forum. He stated that you could, that you just need the clear path to the sky at the proper alignment. He even gave me an extra pole to make a stand out of or to attach to the camper. I would check with the company and see if it can be used like that as well. If I could afford it, I would have it now as we can't get anything but dial up where we live. Not even DSL.

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So NJAdmin is Mopar?

Thank you Keystone

Criminal, remember the beginning of this thread? Go down to where BrianSnat states the fact!

Let's see i'm "pulsating" and your "throbbing"...yeah I guess we are brothers...well at least "Brothers with different mothers"...lmao

You got that wrong BrianSnat I'm your "sock Pupper" account... Byut criminal would be a good alter ego, eh?

Well there's the old rumor that Criminal is actually Jeremy!

Try http://babelfish.altavista.com/

I know where the clear container thing is coming from. Back in Georgia, the Dept of Corrections were requiring all staff to only bring in clear bags. no briefcases or anything liek that was allowed. Not even a female secretary could not bring her purse. Walamrt sold a lot of clear book bags that year...lol It is a dumb rule. Somethign could still be put in there that is dangerous or against the law and look like something else. The only thing I can see is that they can tell if there is some wires or somehting running to the lid like a bomb or something.

I wouldn't say you handled it poorly. They may not like the feedback you gave, but what the hey. Someone stated something I found negative on one of mine, I emailed them, but left it there. I don't think it's a reason to delete it. It was straight forward and to the point. I have no problem with it.

If I remember right, it was said before that they are now requiring that each stage of a multi's coordinates must be given to ensure they are not within another cache. I also understood that at the time that multi's from 2 different caches couldn't be within that .1 proximity either. Or did I misunderstand that?

I agree with about 90% of what you say. First of all there is a difference between moderating/censoring distasteful and abusive things. It's another thing to close a thread because a couple of people can not follow the rules or the moderators warnings. Take care of the "threat" and not the thread. Especially those that you allowed to stay in the first place. Make the moderators forum snipers. Back in June when I came aboard, I initially saw a need for moderators. I even mentioned it. Why? Not because of off topic discussion or people being silly, but because attacks on each other (to include me). It was like TPTB were all around and in the middle of it and to some extent, still are. People are going to complain no matter what. Whether it's about the site or about another complaining about the site. And by the way, the site is not free. You may not have to pay to supprt it, but others do pay (monetarily) in some way or another, so you don't have to. Without those supporters, this site would be no different than any other listing site. And on that note, thank you to all who help support the site monetarily in some way. Whether it's through premium memberships or purchasing Groundspeak products. Without you, they would not have the equipment (or time for that matter) necessary for bringing such a great site.

Glad to see this thread as it really goes hand in hand with my website. Yes there are RVers out there that Geocache. Matter of fact it's almost how I became to know geocaching. Someone( a camper) on my message board told me about it back early in the year. It was actually a suggestion for a forum on my board, which I did, not knowing anything about it. I never really looked into it at all then. Then in spring, my in laws who own an RV went to Myrtle Beach for a rally and met some others that geocached. Heck maybe they are reading this now! Anyway, my MIL was telling my wife about it and that it sounded neat. My wife told me and I told her yeah I had heard of it. I checked into in June and here I am. As far as accessing the internet. Well many RV Parks (usually private) have telelphone access at the sites. While others may have internet access at the office. Just about any major ISP (AOL, MSN, etc) can be accessed that way. Places like KOA are moving forward with wireless internet connection and even have their own ISP . As far as placing caches. I would say it's not a good idea if you do a lot of traveling and only go back to an area once a year or so.

Anyone know of any good cake recipes? I need to take one to the huntin' club picnic.

I thought it was discussed before that a cache could not be placed within the proximity(.1) to even a stage of another persons multi cache? Did this change again?

jimmy689, no one was insulting you. Just because I don't feel you are correct or that you did something not in the best interest, you should not be insulted. If so, then you will have a rough time here on the boards. I merely pointed out that the replies in which you posted went further than the email you posted that you sent out. My opinion is that you were asking permission in a round about way. You stated that there was controversy about it's legality. You stated you didn't want to get in trouble with the law. So you really are asking, "Is it ok to geocache there". That is asking permission. I used the reference of my son as to what you stated in the email. A better way of getting to do something when you are seeking permission or wanting to know if it's ok, is not to point out the bad things about it. BrianSnat, I posted that as a debate on the issue. Theoretically it's all right...

The answer to everyone that hasn't received a reply to an email or are still waiting on something...Jeremy's been reading...

You can talk off topic and on topic at my place.... I have references...

Yes there are those who believe they shouldn't ask permission to place a cache. But those that would rather know it's ok in the first place and that their cache is not going to be confiscated/removed or that they may run a chance into a threat of being prosecuted (whether valid or not), should not be frowned upon. Many people take great pride in their caches and placing them. Many spend a good bit of money in them as well. [greenpeace liberalism on] In my opinion, I would rather know ahead of time that it's going to be accepted there. We have to be realistic. We are not talking about a common activity or sport that is recognized. We are talking about something that in fact could cause harm. We can say it doesn't do any more harm than other things. While that may be true, it's an additional thing and we aren't talking of doing the exact same thing as other activities. It does about 80% of the same thing as hiking for the most part. Then the rest of the time is bushwacking going off trail and leaving things. I'm sure there are are countless reasons why it would not be wanted. Endangering wildlife, vegetation, and people are some immediate things. Wildlife could be harmed because an animals home is torn up. Leaving foreign objects there could cause problems for animals too. AS we know, food is not supposed to put in caches, but neither are knives and otehr prohibited items, but they are. If someone leaves something that has a smell(not necessarily that humans can smell) that attracts an animal, what if the animal tries to eat something that is toxic to them or chokes them. Then there is vegetation. We don't like people trampling through or flower beds. People put scarecrows in gardens to keep out birds, and there are many other ways people try to keep animals and people away from their vegetation. The forest is a flower bed, the best way put. They don't want people trampling things down. There's also possible endangeered vegetation. Some may say, yeah but animals make tracks as well. Possibly, but it's normal. Just as in your flower bed, there are insects. But a person walking through it is not normal. Then there are people. Peoples' safety is what comes to mind to me, being ex Law Enforcement. I imagine that the land managers may be the best in knowing what's there on the land and what is possibly dangerous. There may be signs and then there may not be signs. Just as if Joe Blow places a cache in the middle of the woods and he entered from one direction. Then Suzy Q comes to find the cache and enters from a different direction. There may be some sort of dnager nearby that Joe Blow didn't know about or see. Perhaps a big hole, quicksand, etc. Ther ecould be many different instances. There's also the chance of people hurting other people. The land managers may be having a problem wiht poachers, drug dealers and etc. They aren't going to put a big sign that says, warning the area has a problem with drug dealers....." . Many people don't know some of hte things that goes on. I remember reading a little magazine that Georgia puts out. In there are some of the calls that Rangers go on. It's kind of like a police blotter. You would be surprised at some of the things that go on. I remember reading about Rangers staking out poachers and illegal hunters and getting shot at. Imagine walking into the middle of something like that or walking up on someone doing something illegal. It oculd happen anytime and anywhere, even while just hiking, walking or biking and not limited to caching. But the thing is, that they can control and advise. They may be able to say, no we don't want the added problem (even though to us it's not a problem). They may suggest different areas...There are many different reasons out there. [greenpeace liberalism off] Now, do I go caching and do other activities outdoors that could cause "damage". Yes. 's normal. Do I place a cache without permission? no and that's my feeling on that. Bottom line is, if you don't want to ask, then don't. If you do then do. No one should feel disgruntled about the other if the other feels and acts in a different manner. People are going to ask. Sometimes it may be for areas that caches are there and may end up causing the othe rcaches to be removed. Nothing you can do about it. Can't be mad at the one who thought it was a good idea to make sure they were going to put their cache in a good place or that they were not going to lose out on their investment.