woodsters

Can you say rust?

LOL...well if you are going through that much trouble, then you shouldn't only come out with a patch, go for the gun! I was doing a lot of patch trading a few years ago and have gotten a lot of some from the federal prison I worked at and a couple other places. I started leaving them in some of the caches along with some other duplicate patches I have. I know longer am doing any trading or am not doing so right now. The patches were sitting in a box in the basement and I got the idea that they would be neat trade items. some may think they are cheesy, but if you were to try and buy one from a collector they would run you anywhere from $4-10 a piece easily. So they are pretty valuable trade items. Thing is, that I haven't really traded many of them. I've left them in caches and took nothing.

That's the great thing about the way they list them here. You can avoid those that are micros. It states in the top right corner of the cache page what size the container is (regular or micro). Top that off with the difficulty/terrain levels and you can easily set your sights just on those caches that you feel are going to offer you what you want.

Bloen hit on part of the reason I think is the real reason on the downward look on "vacation caches". I think it was more of a territroial thing. Of course there may have been some maintenance issues as well, but I think those were used to back the justification of the main reason. It's time to get over the territory thing. Unless you own the land. If a person can maintain a cache, then there is no problem. I say prove that they can't maintain it. I think all four corners of the earth are reachable within a week or so. There is no method set in place to determine if someone will maintain a cache or not. Whether local or not. Distance is not a factor. The people are the factors. Work on it as a case by case basis. Not case by case of whether you are going to allow it, but on the maintenance problems. If a cache is not being maintained properly and no one is willing to do it, then archive and have it removed. Once again, if you aren't going to a good owner of a cache and properly maintain it, then don't place one. Heck I would be in favor of requiring owners to physically tend to their caches on a predetermined timetable. That might stop some people to stop throwing out hundreds of caches that they probably couldn't maintain. Mainly because they would be doing a lot of going to their own caches and not bagging some finds of their own. It's great that the sport is growing and will continue to grow, but let it do it at it's own pace. Don't force it to grow. It will soon reach a burn out at the rate it's going in another 10 years or so.

mtn-man where did you get yours made at and are they costly? I recently dipped into my Police Patch/Pin collection and started leaving patches and pins in some of the local caches here.

That would be up for debate. First of all, from recent discussions on the forums, not very many people even ask permission to place a cache. It wouldn't make a difference if the person lives 1000 miles away or 1 mile away, as they can both place a cache in a place where people are working with others. And then in those cases, either the approver should be aware of those bans or problems (simply let the local approver know of an area tha is a problem that you are working on). The approver should be able to catch those things most of the time. And even then if they don't then the people who are working towards these goals or know of problems should report the cache. On top of my statement of "don't place a cache if you aren't going to maintain it", I should also include "don't place a cache without doing your research and ensuring it's ok or you have permission to place a cache". But attributing it as a problem of people who live an x amount of miles away is ludicrous. Mileage has nothing to do with it. It's not a factor. The common factor is the people who do these things.

I agree about the people getting excited and placing a cache. I see no rush into it. I suggested having a required amount of caches found before listing one here. The idea is that it will get peoples feet wet. Let them see some caches first and experience what a finder does. Then once they reach the limit, then they are allowed to list one. Perhaps that will slow down on those who get excited or circumvent the process with fake user accounts just to place one. There are thousands of caches. No one has found them all. There are many new ones placed each day. They might not be within a certain distance of you, but what good is it going to do you if you place one? Get to know the sport some and then place one, then maybe there may be a little more respect for the whole thing. As far as geolitter. Well you can try to stop it, but you aren't. I commented a while back and I think Jeremy added a line somewhere in the guidelines that your cache could be removed. To me that's great. Then when a cache gets "archived", let the cachers go out, find it and remove it and get a point for it. Heck add another type of cache category just for it...lol

Who were you just quoting Carleen? lol just kidding....When doing it automatically just remove the text you don't want in there. Just make sure you don't remove the quote tags unless you want that quote not quoted.

Many state parks and other similar places require parking permits. I really see no difference in that, than a lift ticket. If you don't want to pay to do it, then don't. There's no difference in paying the outrageous cost of entering the Grand Canyon National Park to get a virtual than this.

While I disagree with the whole "vacation cache" thing and the way it is handled, my feelings are that if you aren't going to maintain a cache, then don't place it. Plain and simple. Put the responsibility on the owner of whether it is maintained properly or not. Who give's a rat's butt if they give a name of someone. They could make up a name. Let them be responsible for it's maintenance, whether if they do it or have someone do it for them. If it falls into direpair, then archive it like many other caches out there.

There's a problem with it all. It's etiquette and you can't make everyone follow the rules of etiquette. If there is a problem within the forums, then report it. The mods are there for a reason. My experience is that when someone that is not within the heirarchy tries to tell others what and how to post that it results in more hostility within and amongst the group. Let it go and just report the problems (if they really are problems) to the mods or Jeremy. Apparantly according to Jeremy, plenty of people reported the images in the sig lines and he removed them. Perhaps he can just remove the pictures alltogether, or even better set a size limit so they won't take as long to load.

Don't be afraid carleem...by the way, yours is .13 ...lol

A cache I recently did was hanging on the side of a tree. Not a clue, but the cache itself. I was in a flat tupperware type of container. The container was in a mesh bag about the same size as the container. Then the container and mesh bag were hanging by it's draw cord on a broken limb jutting out from the tree. Clever hide. Most people would be looking lower than it was...

But that's over the entire "career" of caching, I suspect if you looked at just the last 12 months it's closer to 1 a day. OK, now Geo Ho is dragging me away from the forums to finsh that cache! gotta get my 1 find today to keep my ratio intact. Doesn't anyone here work????? like you are working doc....

Virts...wow where to begin. The notion that the basis of the sport is physical containers with stuff in them, then why do we have others? And why were they allowed in the first place. I know someone said that virts were (are) allowed where physicals aren't, but isn't the basis on a physical container? Theorretically from the "basis", there should only be "traditionals". No multi's, no micros, no webcams, no cito's, no events, and etc. But no one claims about getting those as a find. The nice thing is that on our own stats here on GC is that they are broken down into each one. Just as they are listed with those nice little icons when searching. And for us that use pq's, there are nice little checkboxes to use to get them or not. The fact is that they are available for those that want to find them and are just as easy to avoid for those who don't. A virt should have no bearing on whether a traditional can be placed there. Many people are only physically capable of doing virts. Many of those that disables as such probably pay their $30/year for the premium membership. Saying no to virts would be taking money out of the GC budget. Maybe not a lot, but some to toake notice. My opinion is make virts acceptable, have guidelines for them of course so that there aren't zillions of them. Just don't have it where it's subjective to getting apporved by todays standards. Forget about the distance of them to traditionals. All in all as we have discussed before, make them like benchmarks. Caches get approved all the time that sit next to benchmarks. Benchmarks are only virtuals anyway as it is. I guess on the "basis" of the game, they shouldn't be allowed either.

But that's over the entire "career" of caching, I suspect if you looked at just the last 12 months it's closer to 1 a day. OK, now Geo Ho is dragging me away from the forums to finsh that cache! gotta get my 1 find today to keep my ratio intact. Well heck mopar, if you knock it down to a month or week, it could be a bigger number!

another thought I just had was that my makes stretchy bbead bracelets and uses a clear stretch cord...that could be used and will expand as well. You can buy it WalMart...

Mopar, you are about .5 cache a day. Of course there are different circumstances that would change those numbers....

I'm sorry, but am i the only one that see's this as putting a big "L" on Jeremy? i was thinking the same thing but didnt want to say it. I said it....why not say it? well when i used the sadam avatar jeremy took ofense to it and i got a 10% warn for it, so i figure if he took ofense to that i might get banned or warned again. Well maybe because you keep posting the picture over and over with the quoting... Ya maybe thats it. I better stop doing that, I wouldnt want to ofend anyone. I am sure he isn't that sensitive. It would be a little silly to make a big deal out of that. Oh, so now you're calling him "silly"? Trying to bring it back on topic from Halden's OT post... Sorry.....temporarlily forgot what the topic was! Oh, yeah, hand pics.....I don't have any to contribute, so I guess I'll just lurk here....... I made an avatar with my jeep once and was going to use it, but never did, here it is...

how about an elastic cord similar to what those car tree deoderizers have on them. They will expand.....

I'm sorry, but am i the only one that see's this as putting a big "L" on Jeremy? i was thinking the same thing but didnt want to say it. I said it....why not say it? well when i used the sadam avatar jeremy took ofense to it and i got a 10% warn for it, so i figure if he took ofense to that i might get banned or warned again. Well maybe because you keep posting the picture over and over with the quoting... Ya maybe thats it. I better stop doing that, I wouldnt want to ofend anyone. I am sure he isn't that sensitive. It would be a little silly to make a big deal out of that. Oh, so now you're calling him "silly"? Trying to bring it back on topic from Halden's OT post...

stayfloopy...I've met ya and no one can say that you are not a hardcore and dedicated cacher no matter what the level of the cache...I still remember seeing you come out of the reeds at the beach cache event in ct swinging that cane and disappearing...

All you have to consider is the fact that a new cacher has a much greater pool of caches to choose from (and a much greater number of nearby caches) than someone who's been doing this for a couple of year. That said, I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make. I don't care enough to bother to do the calculations. I'm caching when I'm caching. Other times, I'm doing something else. I don't have a need to put numbers on it. Yes and the pool is now even, it's not like an old timer is retired from caching or anything and has a record to beat...it really doesn't matter and shouldn't....this posting is in regard to others telling others to "shut up" or "go out and cache".... Numbers and the amount of caching should only matter to the person that owns them....but they are eye openers to some....

Good out-take The Divine Ones....as I posted earlier, all that matters is that you are having fun!

nice numbers there monkeybrad...very impressive totals in less than a year!