NeuroNomad

Thank you for all the great replies. I am sorry this morning I was not in a good mood when I placed my topic. I am not going to quit GeoCaching, and many of the replies are very right by saying to quit is not the answer. I am sorry about the litter bit, that was just my being in a bad mood. I know that we actually do many, many things to help the environment by cache-in trash-out type efforts. I think in the end we it is just going to be a group effort to keep things in line. I just didn't take it well when I felt like I was getting wrote up by a landowner for trespassing, when I would never intentially do so. On one other short reply, in regards to someone placing a cache that was located where I would have had to walk through the landscape, this was indeed the case. Trust me I looked at every possible angle and there was not a way to get to the cache without having to step on these people's shurbs. In the end I have woke up and smelled the coffee. I appologize for being rash and not thinking my posting all the way through. In the end you guys are right, I am a cafeful and responsible person and would like to help the geocaching community continue to steer it's self towards general acceptance. Though I haven't been in the sport for too, too long, I have done dozens of caches, and besides a small handful, the rest were perfectly legal and safe. I appologize to the community for my rash statements and do appreciate the educated and concerned replies. GeoCaching is a great sport and I for one will not give up on it. Thanks again, NeuroNomad --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page

I have decided to quit regular GeoCaching. After a number of smaller scares, and last week another scare, I have decided the hobby is not for me. Last Friday I went and found a cache that was hidden in what appeared to be a roadside park, only to learn from someone watching over the property that it was instead private property. I have always done everything I can to stay out of legal issues, and GeoCaching certainly can gray the line between what is legal and what is not. At first the newness of the hobby blinded me to the issues that one could get into when searching for and hiding a cache. Not to mention the harm it may do to the environment. While I do not see any harm with Reverse or Virtual caches in public or approved locations, contemporary caches are often placed with little regard as to common sense. I know for I have placed some illogically myself. To me the main issue goes back to the legality of what we do. We willfully litter and in many cases ignore private property. Over the weekend I attempted one cache that I was outright told that it was private property and another cache as located so that if I attempted to retrieve I would have had to set on/through someone’s landscape. I am a HUGE advocate of personal property but during my time GeoCaching I look back and realize how many times during GeoCaching that I have had to skirt the line between private and public property. As the hobby continues to grow, I believe this will become more and more of an issue as the number of public areas that we can legally (which is also up for interpretation) grow smaller and smaller. Also while initially it was somewhat enticing to be covert while caching, that being covert or suspicious in this day and age is not the wisest thing to do. This is why starting ASAP I am going to start archiving my caches, and perform more virtual caches and reverse caches. Usually the worse thing doing a virtual cache is just looking like a goofy tourist. As to the poll question: "What worries you the most when you are caching" --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page

Me GeoCacher, You Jane, Tarzan Leave Now!!! --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page

Oh, yeah Barney, the fight is on now!!!! --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page

Actually any coordinates would do, it is just the attitude that would matter, ha ha. -25000 feet. quote:Originally posted by sept1c_tank:I thought about a virtual at the center of the earth, but I couldn't figure out what coordinates to post! ===============_"If it feels good...do it"_================ **_(the other 9 out of 10 voices in my head say: "Don't do it.")_** . --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page

Is there any way to search the profiles for say the Top 25 GeoCachers, or better yet, the Top 25 GeoCachers by region? --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page

Young Ron Jeremy displaying his new Signature CacheCard..... --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page

When you are watching the ending of Shawshank Redmemtion and you think Morgan Freeman's character is GeoCaching. --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page

And thus, the saga continues. quote:Originally posted by Pantalaimon: quote:Originally posted by bodenhek:I really cant believe people use GPS. Maybe something I am missing but cant you just walk right on top of the cache? And how many nongps people are there like me? The main reason you need a GPS is to submit a cache. If you try to submit a cache that somehow does not (on its face) REQUIRE a GPS to find, it won't be approved. Pan "The internet to tell me where. A GPS to get me there." --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page

True, True, and to an extent actually a GPSr can handicap you, if you are like me. Sometimes I will keep looking at my GPSr when I should just start looking around. I think the additional cache that a lot of people dont think about is the fact that not only is your GPSr going to be between 15-30 feet off normally, but so was the person that was placing the cache. So that means you could be anywhere from an average of 30-60 feet away depeneding on the accuracy of the cache owner and your GPSr readings. GPSr's will help you get to the general area, but it is still up to the individual to locate the cache in most caches. quote:Originally posted by Team 5-oh!:No. Considering the accuracy of consumer grade units and all other variables. Times a gps will put you right on top of a cache are very few and far between. If it gets me to within 10 feet I'm happy as a clam (how happy is that?). I figure the norm for me is 20 to 30 feet. --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page

I agree. Supporting the site alone is worth it. But then to have pocket queries is like an infomerical saying, " But wait there's more". I don't know how I lived without them now that I have them. quote:Originally posted by rckdrummerr6969:For EVERYTHING you get and lots more to come, as well as the ease of just DOWNLOADING instead of manual, as well as the fact your helping SUPPORT the "cause" so to speak.......... I am proud to be a member!!!!! Everyone has been more than helpful on this site!!!!!! --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page

I agree with printing out a group of caches that you think you may run across. But remember to reprint or at least check online to make sure that they haven't changed much since you printed them out. Then I use ExpertGPS for mapping and pulling the wapyoints to my Garmin eTrex Legend. Then I use Yahoo maps to confirm what the Topo and Satallite maps show. Pretty much like BullDogBob says, when you get done with your first, do a closest for the next. But sometimes this isn't logical when a road will clearly get you to what appears to be a farther away cache. Sometimes a cache that is .5 mile away may actually be 3 miles away when you drive from your current location. Most of it comes down to logical thought and switching a lot between your map and compass modes. --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page

I did some GeoCaching for a week while I had my GPSr on loan to my brother and still had a very enjoyable time. As long as the cache is not a MultiCache and you have a few clues to go on, you can do it without a GPSr. But then there is some other names for that (Scavanger Hunting and Letterboxing) ha ha. quote:Originally posted by bodenhek:I really cant believe people use GPS. Maybe something I am missing but cant you just walk right on top of the cache? And how many nongps people are there like me? --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page

Sorry for getting carried away. I believe we (Pantalaimon and I) have both shaked our hands, and agreed to just silently disagree on the matter. quote:Originally posted by Jeremy (Admin):If you wish to debate each other, please do it outside of the forums. BTW, the "nos" seem to have it so far. Jeremy Irish Groundspeak - The Language of Location --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page

We can just agree to disagree. Mainly at this point I just don't see the purpose for having multiple threads on the same topic. quote:Originally posted by Pantalaimon:Okay, well, I feel like we're arguing in two different posts now, which seems ridiculous. I accept your apology for the premium member comment and for the fake post comments. As far as taking this discussion to the forums, like I said on the other thread, it is my understanding that cache creators are encouraged to take the discussion to the forums is the approver fails to approve the cache. I've had discussions with the approver, and we've come to no agreement on the cache. Thus, I took the discussion here, as I am entitled to do. Now, as far as others agreeing with me on the cache, it doesn't look like its going to happen, and I can accept that. Pan "The internet to tell me where. A GPS to get me there." --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page

Okay, whatever, I have said my peace on the matter. Personally I think it is whining, and I think that unless the Admin clear is in error that it is best to work things out with them, or email the GeoCaching.com staff before trying to stir up anti-admin feelings or giving cause for people to second guess the admins. I appoloize if this was not what you were trying to do. But I felt like it was. I also felt that you were creating fake accounts in the other thread (which is a duplicate of this one, which I don't understand the reasoning behind). I will let it drop. quote:Originally posted by Pantalaimon: quote:Originally posted by NeuroNomad & Sublonde:Makes me look no more the jack$$$ than a certain person (you) that keeps harping on the fact that the admin will not approve his cache as is. If that makes me a jack@ss I fully and totally accept the title. Are you even aware that if the approver fails to approve a cache after discussions with the creator, then the creator is _encouraged_ by Geocaching.com to take it to the forums? Pan "The internet to tell me where. A GPS to get me there." --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page

Makes me look no more the jack$$$ than a certain person (you) that keeps harping on the fact that the admin will not approve his cache as is. quote:Originally posted by Pantalaimon: quote:Originally posted by NeuroNomad & Sublonde:... blah blah blah ... Not only that but it looks like he is creating fake accounts to have someone that agrees with him. Ha Ha, this guy is too funny. No, what's funny is that you're totally wrong. Ha ha. Think before you post, okay. Maybe have some facts, or know what you're talking about. It will make you look less like a jack@ss, _I promise_. Pan "The internet to tell me where. A GPS to get me there." --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page

I am not trying to be a forum police, else I would have emailed the admin telling them that I thought you were making fake accounts. It just seems a little funny thats all. As far as my issue with this, it seems like there are a lot of people here that just will not take no from the admins without running to the message boards and trying to get people to side with them in fighting "the system" so to speak. It gets old. I know there has to be at least four or five threads on the matter. Of course I can just ignore them, but still I want to give my 2 cents worth. Once again I appologize if you and LE are not one and the same. Been around fourms and BBS since the mid 80s and have just seen similar stuff many a time. There is nothing wrong with trying to get your cache approved, but it sounds to me that the Admin tried to work with you, but you just will not work with him, instead you want to run to the forums and act like you are a victim. As far as not being a premium member, I should not have said that. You have an equal right to post about a cache. I appologize for that. quote:Originally posted by Pantalaimon:NeuroNomad and/or Sublonde, You have no idea what you're talking about. Luckily, you apologized if you were wrong, because, well, you are. First, I have no idea who LE is, and second s/he didn't even agree with me! Climb back in your hole, K? Why don't you slip fully into your self-imposed role of forum police and ask the admins to check the ISP of LE. Maybe that will convince you that your "100% sure" is really 0% correct. The first thread I started on this matter was to discuss HOW I could effectively argue to get my cache approved. This thread was to take a poll on the topic, because one of the reasons the cache approver said he was denying the cache is because of the replies on the other thread. The two threads were clearly created for two different purposes. Why do you appear to have such a problem with that? Have I harmed your delicate sensibilities is some way? I didn't realize it was a forum crime to try and get approval for a cache that I thought would be interesting and enjoyable to fellow cachers? Oh wait... its not, you're just overreacting. Not being a premium member gives me no right to post about I cache I want to create? Please. That doesn't even warrant a reply. Don't hurt yourself getting off your high horse. Pan "The internet to tell me where. A GPS to get me there." --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page

Pantalaimon is so desperate that he started another Thread on this same matter. Not only that but it looks like he is creating fake accounts to have someone that agrees with him. Ha Ha, this guy is too funny. --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page

Example: this LE (aka Pantalaimon) is in agreement with the entry above it. Funny thing is that the entry above it was also posted by LE. So what we have here is LE agreeing to himself, ha ha. Too funny. I can't believe the nerve of some people around here. When the admins say something is not approved, either A) work with them to get it approved by following their options, or Go to another geocaching website or C) Make your own caching website. Why continue to try to get people on your side. If the admins say no, but give you options to get it accepted and you don't take those options then you have no right to complain. That plus you are not even a premium member, so you have even less right to complain. quote:Originally posted by le:I agree that it should be a multistage cach to make it more challenging so the people can still find it....it would be stupid to lead a person within a 10th of a mile of where he or she is and be able to find nothing! --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page

Pantalaimon you are too freaking funny. First you will not follow the rules that they gave you. Then you complain in two seperate threads about the deal. And now, I am about 100% sure, you made up a new screen name (le) to try to make it look like someone is on your side. I am sure that someone that just joined today (see le's profile) is going to really care about this topic. Also the other giveaway is that you just might have used LE account to prop up your poll. That plus the only two postings LE has made are in this topic and he (aka YOU) use that account twice to reply with the LE account, but the reply sounds like two different people. Come on dude, grow up, don't you know that the admins can see your IP, so I am sure they are on to you. If I am wrong, sorry, but it just smells too fishy to me. --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page

I tried some of the Rust Resistant Paint, but it actually came off looking like rust itself, ha ha. I will post a photo soon, it is so darn funny. --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page

Born in Bred in Kentucky, live in Tennessee but I do caching in Western Kentucky. Have four hides up there. My Best Friend and my family also cache around the Paducah area. quote:Originally posted by mmeehan1:My name is Mary Meehan. I'm a reporter with the Herald-Leader. I would like to do a geocaching story. Anyone out there who would be willing to let me (and likely a photographer) tag along on an adventure? Many thanks, Mary Meehan --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page

Sounds like a good response to me. People fail to see that it's your site and your rules. If you say no to moving caches then it seems simple enough to me that either A) they shut up, or the go elsewhere. quote:Originally posted by Jeremy:No moving caches. My original post was not about the irresponsibility of placing moving caches without approval from local land managers(which is definitely an issue). It's the issue of placing a one time only cache, where the first finder takes it and moves it elsewhere. We have addressed this to death. If you don't like it, create your own moving caches web site and get folks to be irresponsible there. Some topics are not decided by committee. If this comes up again, feel free to point anyone to this post. I doubt I'll address it again. Jeremy Irish Groundspeak - The Language of Location --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page

I am sorry to say that I have been continuing to have similar problems, across multiple machines, running Mozilla, IE and Netscape. Sometimes I will go to login, only to have a "You're not logged in" page come up. Usually multiple tries will get me logged in, but it can be a bit flusterating sometimes when you key in a new cache or go to sign a log, and when you submit, it says you are not logged in even though you just did. For me I have tried clearing cookies, cleaning temp, and history but still the issue persist. Sorry Jeremy, I hate to complain but the issue does indeed still appear to be persistant. On the bright side, since the new server, everything else is hot to trot. --------------------------------------------------------- Pardon me Sir, but there is a Wild GeoCache in this area. www.neurocache.com - NeuroNomad & Sublonde's Page