NattyBooshka

You're going to love my Amersham Station series of challenges. I'm looking at making a special journey when the series is complete. I consider myself a beginner next to a real fool... But I intend to learn quickly! Make them as silly as you can... I'll come and do them all, they just have to get past TPTB!

I would have thought it was quite obvious that it shouldn't be allowed on a geocaching site, simply because it isn't a geocache, or anything like one. It sounds like a fine challenge to go on a Challenge site though. Rgds, Andy Events where you have to dress like a tit aren't geocaches but it's easy enough to avoid attending such travesties in the name of geocaching! Talking of tits... I was looking at challenging people to send photos of great knockers... Do I place it at B&Q or wickes?

Have a great time. Place a ridiculous but legitimate challenge whilst you're there... Get the locals behaving like drunken tourists!

I'm a hint hater. Unless it's a muggle zone urban... When I love hints!

What you are using as evidence is feedback in the forums and in the feedback topics. This is such a small slice of the geocaching community at large. As I said before, it's a vocal minority. Most just aren't aware. Of course, that IS the only evidence we have. We have to assume the ones who don't comment don't care or are split in the same ratio as those who do comment - what you can't do is assume that everyone who doesn't comment is in favour of challenges being hosted on this site. The comments I've seen have been overwhelmingly in favour of them being hosted on another site. The rate of the feedback prior to it being censored was one of the most astonishing things I've ever seen on here. Note that as far as I know, nobody at all is suggesting you should not be allowed to play this game, simply that as something so very different to geocaching it should be hosted separately. Rgds, Andy With you Andy... If you have a GPSr there's one site with 2 opposite games... With no overlap really. If you use smartphone, they're 2 different apps, 2 different games... The way it should be, people may play both... No problem.

Groundspeak can buy membership of p-takingglossopcachers.com for just £30 a year.

Ok... Well... We won't know what's in the flask in the photo... I won't tell if you don't!

I didn't find one 7 times! It was close to home... It was easy (it really was when I found it) I only logged 2 or 3 DNFs because I didn't want to log more than 1 or 2 of their visible logs as DNF. It may put people off. As it happens it was one of the easiest finds in 15/16 years of doing this... But I have strong reasoning to believe that it was not there on my first visit. I am quite proud of the seven actual DNFs though.

Bump. Maybe we can continue the thread in the form of challenges?!

I hope they stay silly. Less directed at being anti-challenges yes, but silly. I won't enjoy getting a photo at a trig point where there's already a cache.... I would enjoy getting my photo taken drinking from my flask of coffee inside a Costa branch. For me it's only the silly that can make challenges interesting for the masses. Oh I love the idea of an intentionally silly challenge of drinking from a flask in a coffee shop. A must, if someone has a link to one then please share. On the other hand my silly season was more directed at armchair "caching" even if legitmate completing. It's coming tonight... Mine was deleted again, so a friend is publishing. Don't suppose Glossop's branch will look too different to any other town's... So it's not locationless... But they have armchairs... And sofas! It's also not illegal... For the consumer... But opens a can of worms for the establishment... So stealth may be required! It's the start of a series... For anyone who want's a head start, #2 is to get a Costa travel cup refilled in a Starbucks.

There's the issue... 150 caches is not many, in one of the best areas of the country... But they don't want too many visitors. As a cacher and part time resident of the Peak District (the rest of the time I live nearby) I can hold my hands up and say sometimes there are too many visitors. There used to be a letterbox under the bar inthe Royal Oak in Fritham... A great find if the box is still there... Stamped it a few times! The people incharge of the new forest know what they are doing... Work with them. 150 caches with built in movement beats 1500 crap ones.

I hope they stay silly. Less directed at being anti-challenges yes, but silly. I won't enjoy getting a photo at a trig point where there's already a cache.... I would enjoy getting my photo taken drinking from my flask of coffee inside a Costa branch. For me it's only the silly that can make challenges interesting for the masses.

On a couple of trips "about 4 days ago" would have been as close as I could get. Of course I've grown up and so don't get that drunk these days. Ok... I've grown more alcohol tolerant, I've not grown up.

I'm a creator too. I don't see how I can bring up your challenges without being close, so can't abuse them... Sorry. The way I see it, it's a big game of dare... Or it will degenerate into that... so it's a laugh... Anybody is free to "abuse" my "challenges" and I will continue to publish themif people promise to abuse them. Now producing on 2 accounts... Forgot one still had pm status.

Even those commenting don't represent most people though. Pedantic or not. Even if you limit it to "people aware of geocache challenges", I'd say most people are either indifferent to the change, or are feeding back in the hope it gets better. I'm in the latter of those. There's a VERY vocal minority who are treating it like a joke - and that's probably the worst course of action to take. Not pointless. I left feedback (3 points, even) on that one topic which got deleted by Jeremy. If you'd been back into the feedback forum, you'd see there's a lot of back and forth discussion now. That's also the right place to get vocal, because there's more chance of being seen than leaving a comment in an unrelated forum, or via a challenge log. I've been through the "hate them, get rid of them phase" and now I've seen some local ones pop up I'm in the "Actually, treated right, these could be a fun addition". I realise they're not for everyone and I hope people get the choices and options they desire, but I'm going to keep feeding back my thoughts in the hope it improves positively. Ok... Whatever... We agree in lots of ways. But... Challenges are NOT geocaching. I like reading fanfiction (actually I dont but bear with me) so I produce a story and other geocachers who like fan fiction read it... Should they get a find? I love the music if Cradle of Filth... Their website does not contain any Lady Gaga songs. If I want to take my little girl to learn to swim, lenfairclough.co.uk wouldn't be my choice of website (one for those of a certain age) Im not against challenges... Quite the opposite... They could be a lot of fun, a global game of dare... No problem... I'll play. IT IS NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT GEOCACHING THOUGH. Natty. PS. This morning I found my socks and put them on... Is that one find or two?

Another domain name... When they get spun off like the original virtuals and locationless ones.

Most people? I beg to differ. Most people aren't even aware of geocaching challenges. Why not offer some constructive feedback instead? Thumb up challenges you like, thumb down those you don't. Flag those which are blatantly "location-less" (but not Worldwide challenges). You don't like the idea of challenges? Fair enough, don't touch them, you don't HAVE to. Also, there's a feedback topic or two you can input on. Done thumbs up and down, not flagged any. Some are locationless but then not locationless... If that makes sense. "Most people" for the non-pedantic out there would mean most people commenting... It's fairly obvious that most challenge setters think the whole thing is a joke. Feedback... Yeah, left that... Groundspeak didn't like it... It got deleted. So that's a pointless route to try! Right now... Hate them... But treating them like a gold mine... Lots of smelly dirty stuff to search through!

I did GO... I went to the front door... Specifically for the challenge, I wasn't going anyway... I made the effort! I'm basically laughing at the challenges... As are most people... And grateful that it only half breaks the stats to do so.

Archived before I could see it, but I can hazard a guess. *rolls eyes in disbelief* .... It was "log 10 challenges from your armchair" (or words to that effect) My favourite so far!

I don't care. It's YOUR "challenge point". It means nothing to me. If you decided to spin on your chair ten times before clicking "challenge completed" then that's your prerogative. Yes... It's my challenge point, which is a house in a park... You said I'd failed?!

I think the system is pretty good... Not sure it's been implemented as I don't live there these days. The sad thing is there will be no old classics there... But they could be reboot I guess... Keep the best by replacing them. The guidelines are open to abuse there... Thankfully that didn't happen.

Does that business model even work any more? I use AdBlocker and honestly couldn't tell you the last time I saw an ad on any web site. Why buy premium membership just to lose the advertising when a piece of software does it for you across all sites? At the very least I'd expect advertisers to be a little smarter than to just look at the number of visitors. If the visitors are young teenagers it's hard to see them being seen as a particularly high value market, unless GS wants to shift the focus of the entire site to providing stupid stuff for kids to do while selling them cheap junk along the way. Well... As the location for the challenge can be "Costa coffee" as indeed my local one is in the database... And the challenge could be "drink a coffee" then this game is open to commercial abuse... And I'm sure they'd love 10 year olds... As long a they have the couple of quid that is necessary! Of course Groundspeak can then "partner" with such locations. GPS enabled device adverts are one heck of a money maker... And if the game is the advert??? Well, it can't be blocked. It could be, although I'd be surprised if kids don't soon learn to see through the "challenges" that are really nothing more than "buy a smiley face" I'm sure they will... But, coffee here, or coffee and smiley there... Same price. If course there will be lots of free ones as they're launching the game utilising 5 million players... Some of whom will actually set a lot of these.

Does that business model even work any more? I use AdBlocker and honestly couldn't tell you the last time I saw an ad on any web site. Why buy premium membership just to lose the advertising when a piece of software does it for you across all sites? At the very least I'd expect advertisers to be a little smarter than to just look at the number of visitors. If the visitors are young teenagers it's hard to see them being seen as a particularly high value market, unless GS wants to shift the focus of the entire site to providing stupid stuff for kids to do while selling them cheap junk along the way. Well... As the location for the challenge can be "Costa coffee" as indeed my local one is in the database... And the challenge could be "drink a coffee" then this game is open to commercial abuse... And I'm sure they'd love 10 year olds... As long a they have the couple of quid that is necessary! Of course Groundspeak can then "partner" with such locations. GPS enabled device adverts are one heck of a money maker... And if the game is the advert??? Well, it can't be blocked.

Then you failed the challenge. It clearly states "Go to a local park and pick up 10 pieces of litter." And I'm in a house in a national park? Does that not mean the street, or indeed anything past the front door, is in the park? Obviously so is the house... But I was trying to stay outdoors... Oh, and it's not my house!

No... they can't! But I'm guessing the justification they used is "Its an easy game, and if people have to be premium to do it, we'll make a fortune" or something along those lines! Millions of 10 year old iphone users can now log these day and night... and that's bottom line as even if they don't go premium, they make the site busy... which increases the price that can be charged for advertising. Or am I just cynical?