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Does this count? In a really nice spot one particularly nice afternoon I had a short nap at a cache site. During that brief slumber I had a dream. When I awoke, I understood that caching is good for humanity; I understood that caching is humanity. And then I knew that someone had placed a cache that started it all. And that was good.

Maybe everybody..ah.. muggles someone should take a test... It's truly a sad state of affairs when the government encourages people to spy on one another. It doesn't make it any easier for geocachers, that's for sure. When muggles and myself share the same encounter, usually the muggle goes away sorry they asked. Sometimes I even follow after them to explain some of the finer details of geocaching. They either join up or get out of Dodge.

Sometimes the mission/history is so confusing you just don't know what to do.

Famous Geocachers??

I've found at least a third of my caches at night. Is is interesting, in the woods or urban areas. Most regular (daytime) caches make great night caches. My favorite night caching experiences typically involve a moderate hike in the woods and some bushwacking. In most places, while caching at night, it is best to use ambient light as much as possible to avoid night blindness if you have retinal issues.

I believe that's a given. So, is it time to close this topic? No. But I'll refrain from stirring the pot.

I believe that's a given. Thanks, I'll make a note of that.

I know that you have not worked for Today's Cacher for quite a long time. I am curious as to why you continue to have your signature line insinuate that you have something to do with the publication, as if it comes from you? I mean, all you would need to do is change two words after all. It seems like you could have done that over a year ago. Is it possible that you are trying to rewrite history? Is it possible that there might be more to the story that meets the eye? Is it possible that you might have had other things to do? None of these should be an excuse for not promptly changing your tag line, using your own logic here. So, are you the pot or the kettle in this case? There are lots of people in this forum who have links in their signature. I think most of them are links to other hobbies and interests. Carleenp, who also worked as an early editor for the magazine, also still has a link in her signature. As you may have guessed from my interest in this topic and others that I have opened, I am a retired journalist with a sincere interest in media and history. Yes, I was the founding editor of Today’s Cacher, and I resigned in April, 2005. I resigned for personal reasons. Since that time I have been nothing but supportive of that magazine. I think Jerry will agree, we are friends (sort of) and communicate occasionally. As far as the link in my signature, I intend to keep it because I sincerely support that effort. Basically (and respectfully), mtn-man, my signature has nothing to do with the subject of this topic. And just in case anyone is interested, if I ever write a history of geocaching, I will include Dave Ulmer and Jeremy…oh, and you too Jerry. And there’s no way I could not mention the pioneer of moving caches by name, mtn-man.

Here. Yes Dave is a someone as in Dave is a human who has a name. They could have just struck this whole paragraph: And continued: You are a someone too, and so am I and so is everybody who is reading this, but in our society we refer to each other as names, El Diablo. Maybe when history is written five years from now, they will refer to you as the someone who started the very first magazine about geocaching. But I bet the name of the publication and the dates will be accurate. Respectfully, Jerry, I think the only pot I’m stirring here is yours.

Just the facts, ma’am. :smile:

I always get around to reading the mission, but sometimes, I admit, (if there is no laminated mission card) I move them first and look later. If I can help the mission in any way, I will attempt to do that, or at least move the bug to another safe cache; I think a moving bug is better than a stationary one. I do consider the caches I use to deposit bugs; I try to put them in reasonably high traffic caches that have little chance of mugglencounters. I own 11 bugs, most of them traveling happily to their hearts content. With my own bugs it seems most people make some kind of effort or acknowledgement of the bugs' missions. Although I have no laminated cards attached to my bugs, any future bugs won't leave home without them. These not only give the finder a clue, they provide more visible information to those who may never have encountered a travel bug and may not understand what it is. I don't know if the Groundspeak store sells the laminated tags or not, but they should include them with the travelbug package.

Cool idea, but depending on what you keep in your Nalgene bottle, it may light you up anyway.

Good on ya, Scare Force One. Maybe you could encourage other kids and your friends by starting a geocaching club at school.

For more about this topic read Do Your Kids Really Cache?..., ...Or do you just take them with you?

Put them on a pedestal. Oh, sorry! I thought this topic was about how to make dolts look bold.

It is nice! Let's do it justice: Why don't you tell us how you came up with that name?

Actually, now that I think about it, it seems this whole row did start over something about apes!

Are you comparing Jeremy to an alien, a higher being, or God, or am I totally misreading your post?

I collect gently used geocaches and sell them to new geocachers (coordinates not included).

I'm with the general consensus; it's a legitimate find. That is simply moronic an oxymoronic idea.

There are lots of places that "just 2 words" need to be changed. For example, the FAQ still claims a good first GPS to buy is the Magellan 315. Is that a conspiracy too? The word conspiracy continues to surface; I have accused none of conspiracy. I am simply a lover of history. Dave Ulmer placed the first geocache. That is a fact. Jeremy stated over a year ago that he was considering making a change to the history document that would add Dave Ulmer's name. As far as any Markwells, this quote comes the closest to explaining the situation: Including Dave Ulmer's name in the history document may mean little to Ulmer himself, but this is history we're discussing, not fiction. Do the research yourself. If you Google the history of geocaching, you'll find Dave Ulmer listed by name in every document but the one included on this site.

I don't see that myself or anyone else in this discussion is stirring a pot, unless it's you by trying to make this controversial. There is nothing controversial about this; everybody knows that Dave Ulmer placed the first geocache. Even TPTB of this website aknowledge it. I'm not in any way trying to remove, or lessen any credit due to anybody influential in the history of geocaching. Jeremy has accomplished the biggest and most successful listing service and Jeremy has pioneered much of the early days of geocaching right up to the present. But Dave Ulmer placed the first cache, not a someone. And I just don't buy the priority argument; we're talking about changing two words in one document.

The following is a PM from Team 360 who is exercising a self-imposed ban in this forum:

How about whether or not Dave Ulmer wants his name added to the history page? I have as hard a time believing that Jeremy has "Fix History Page" as #1 on his to do list as I do believing that Dave Ulmer lies in bed at night pining for his spot on an obscure page in the corner of this website. At the end of the day, both of these gentlemen have better things to do with their time. Bret It may not be important to either of the gentlemen. It is important to me though. Dave Ulmer hid the first cache, not a someone. But history is history, and it would be so easy to fix.

I don't have any magic bullets. I'm simply interested in crediting Dave Ulmer as that someone who placed the very first geocache. I see that Jeremy has addressed this question before: It's been 19 months since Jul 22 2004, 08:17 AM when Jeremy considered re-adding his (Dave Ulmer's) name to the history page. Is it not a fact that Dave Ulmer hid the very first geocache? As Jeremy said, the history is explained accurately in the book (the official one), and the DVD. This is a high tech website with up to date, accurate information. What's to consider?