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Do you expect to find a geocoin in every cache then? I take your point and stand corrected but I still don't understand why you are taking this so personally. If you don't like proxies (and I'm starting to get that - LoL) then don't move them. Simple as that.

Do you expect to find a geocoin in every cache then? I take your point and stand corrected but I still don't understand why you are taking this so personally. If you don't like proxies (and I'm starting to get that - LoL) then don't move them. Simple as that. I'm sorry but you are TOTALLY missing the point.Do I expect to find a geocoin in every cache? Of course not and I'm not sure what that question has to do with the topic and as far as me taking it personally,all cachers should take it personally because people who put paper coins(that's what I call them),out there are saying to each and every one of us "Hey you,I don't trust you with my real coin but here's a picture of it.Will you move it along on my behalf and not think about the fact that I DON'T TRUST YOU enough to allow to handle the real thing??" Get real.Personal? Yeah,it's personal. Look at it like this.The sport of GeoCaching is pretty much all about trust isn't it? You hide a cache and you trust that people aren't gonna log it if they didn't find it right ? You trust them right ? You're not gonna run out to check the log everytime someone logs your cache on the site right ? How about this topic,which by the way turned into a real fiasco on another caching site in the forum...How about cachers who can't find the hard ones and so they call the cache owner for clues and hints and then they go out to GZ with the owner of the cache,find it and log the FTF ??? Isn't that cheating ? It is in our opinion. We've been jipped out of so many first to finds it's not even funny. We live for 5 star difficulty micros and everytime we find one there's a group of people on the log claiming the FTF who called the owner for clues and then all went out together to get it. We recently found an evil little micro that's hidden in a place where no human should ever lay eyes on it. This micro was all the talk on another caching site and the guy who went to GZ for 4.5 hours and couldn't find it started a thread asking for help and also called the cache owner for a clue.He and the group went out the next day with the cache owner and found it and logged the FTF.Do you think that's fair and honest ? The two of us went out and 25 minutes later had the cache in hand.No help.No clues.No owner with us at GZ.Found it fair and square.Who deserves the FTF? Us or them ? Probably a whole other topic but I couldn't help myself . thanks

Also,aside from not reading my entire initial post,if you check our gallery you'll see that I've contributed hundreds of photos during our short time as cachers,most of which portray the beauty of the places we've been which obviously demonstrates that of course,the most important thing is not what's in the cache but the journey and the experience.You kinda missed my point but thank you.

Thanks for responding to our topic but in response to your asking me if that's what caching is all about,what's in the cache, I believe I said that "aside from the journey and the individual experience at each cache,the geocoin is the treasure."

THANK YOU UncleJimbo ! Finally,someone who sees it like we do ! You stated our thoughts EXACTLY and perfectly ! While we're on the subject,how about TB's that are just a dog tag with nothing attached to them ?? Is it just me or is that kind of annoying too ? You mean to tell me these folks couldn't find a cool little item to attache to the chain ? Moving a lame dog tag with nothing attached to it is as bad as moving a paper geocoin ! Again,just our opinion.

How many coins have you released? How many of those have been stolen? Look - I share your opinion that proxies are a disappointment when compared to seeing the real coin. Personally, I have never released a proxy and I probably never will. That being said the first coin my family released to the wild was stolen in less than 3 weeks. Talk about disappointment. I think the majority of Geocachers are honest, friendly people who go out of their way to make caching a great experience for one and all. But like any group of people, there will be a few who spoil it for the rest. So feel insulted if that makes you feel better. Post disgruntled notes to the owners of the proxy if that makes you feel better. But until you've been on the other side of the - pardon the pun - coin, perhaps you'd have a bit more compassion for those who don't wish to see their coins taken and yet still wish to at least share the icon and watch their proxy travel. And hey - as someone who enjoys releasing coins, I'm always happy to see others do likewise so why not join in the fun and release some yourself!

How many coins have you released? How many of those have been stolen? Look - I share your opinion that proxies are a disappointment when compared to seeing the real coin. Personally, I have never released a proxy and I probably never will. That being said the first coin my family released to the wild was stolen in less than 3 weeks. Talk about disappointment. I think the majority of Geocachers are honest, friendly people who go out of their way to make caching a great experience for one and all. But like any group of people, there will be a few who spoil it for the rest. So feel insulted if that makes you feel better. Post disgruntled notes to the owners of the proxy if that makes you feel better. But until you've been on the other side of the - pardon the pun - coin, perhaps you'd have a bit more compassion for those who don't wish to see their coins taken and yet still wish to at least share the icon and watch their proxy travel. And hey - as someone who enjoys releasing coins, I'm always happy to see others do likewise so why not join in the fun and release some yourself! Thanks for the reply to our topic.You're right,we haven't released any coins.We also haven't hid any caches yet but I'll tell you this,if we do decide to release coins we would release THE ACTUAL COIN and not a photocopy of our coin.If it gets stolen it gets stolen but then you decide to either release another or nothing at all. You can't have it both ways,you either put a coin out or you don't. If people are going to be so untrusting of the majority of us,then they need to keep their coins locked up in a safety deposit box or something. It's not like they cost a fortune or anything that you would have to insult others honesty and integrity just to protect this thing. The owners of the Alaskan coin I spoke of actually said "The actual coin stays home with us and we hang it on our Christmas tree every year." Do you want to know what my response to that was ? I said "So,we're out here in the elements trekkin' around in the rain and the mud hunting a cache to check out your coin and you actually have it hanging on your Christmas Tree ?? " Are you kidding ? C'mon.Not only that but guess what? If you would've told me it was fake from the start we wouldn't have bothered and we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. Really think about this. It's ridiculous ! Guess what ? If you're not gonna put the real deal out here don't bother.What do paper coin people think,that their coin is so spectacular and the rest of us want to see it so bad that we're gonna settle for a paper copy ? No way. Move a piece of paper ? Get real. If you don't trust me with your coin I'm certainly not gonna move your fake. Point to Ponder....I wonder what the Pirates would've thought after searching for treasures,the gold and silver coins,braving the elements to find the treasure and then opening the box to find only a photo of the treasure ??? Do you think they would've been mad ?

How many coins have you released? How many of those have been stolen? Look - I share your opinion that proxies are a disappointment when compared to seeing the real coin. Personally, I have never released a proxy and I probably never will. That being said the first coin my family released to the wild was stolen in less than 3 weeks. Talk about disappointment. I think the majority of Geocachers are honest, friendly people who go out of their way to make caching a great experience for one and all. But like any group of people, there will be a few who spoil it for the rest. So feel insulted if that makes you feel better. Post disgruntled notes to the owners of the proxy if that makes you feel better. But until you've been on the other side of the - pardon the pun - coin, perhaps you'd have a bit more compassion for those who don't wish to see their coins taken and yet still wish to at least share the icon and watch their proxy travel. And hey - as someone who enjoys releasing coins, I'm always happy to see others do likewise so why not join in the fun and release some yourself!

We're really into the whole ghost thing and I never go anywhere without my camera. Our fav place to look for ghosts is,of course,old cemeteries. We went to hunt the cache in a Big Rock cemetery here in Illinois and I was snapping pics as I was walking the stone road,just aiming here and there and snapping away at anything and everything.No flash.I'm checking out my pics when we got home and there's one photo I took that captured a really bright almost neon streak of orange/yellow light right in front of a particular headstone.Cool thing is, because I was moving the trees and headstones have a bit of a blur to them but the streak of light doesn't. There's no logical explanation for it because there's nothing there that would have caused it, just a really old cement headstone.It was getting dark as you'll notice in my photo and then there's this light.If you zoom on it even gets cooler.Spirit light ? I don't know but anything else MAKES ZERO SENSE @ Check it out at this cache: "W. BR Cemetery" in Illinois. Be sure to put a space after the period after the "W" or it won't come up. Not only that happened at West Big Rock Cemetery ! We're lookin' for the cache and I'm under this HUMONGOUS pine tree looking all up in the branches because this particular cache hider has a love for REALLY STRANGE containers so you never know what his micros are hidden in. So I'm lookin' up and I spot this PURE WHITE bird sitting there on the lowest branch about an arm's length away. I'm lookin' at it and lookin' at it and it's still like a statue so I'm thinkin' it's fake and it's another one of Abell's weird containers right ? So I go to reach for it cuz it was that close and THE THING FLIES AWAY !! Mind you,this is Illinois !! We don't have white birds here !! and this thing sat there not 5' from me while I stared at it all that time. There was no way in hell I thought that thing was real !! It doesn't fit and it doesn't make any sense ! I almost died when it flew out of the tree ! I think that bird was something other than just a bird.Maybe a spirit bird ? Who knows. You had to be there to witness the whole oddity of a PURE WHITE bird sitting in an Evergreen tree,in Illinois,in the winter,right before dark !!

Just wanted to get some opinions on the practice of paper GeoCoins.That is making a paper copy of your GeoCoin,laminating it and putting it out there for cachers to move along like an actual coin. We've come across 3 of these now and in our opinion it's a bit insulting.Each time we questioned the coin's owners they all said the same thing,"The actual coin is in our posession.We didn't want to put it out there for fear it would be stolen." Granted,there are GeoCoin thieves out there but we think the huge majority of GeoCachers are honest people who would never steal someone else's property ! This is very insulting and in our opinion,if you don't trust your fellow cachers you shouldn't be in the sport or if you don't trust us,keep your coin to yourself but don't insult our honesty and integrity by putting a paper copy out there and expect us to move it.Also,all 3 paper coin pages showed a photo of the actual coin NOT the paper copy and none of the 3 stated we would find a paper copy ! We won't move a paper GeoCoin copy.We won't even log that we've seen it in a cache ! To us they're non-existent. Short story on how we came to really dislike these things.We started caching last July.We planned our first big cache hunt outing in August to Saw-Wee-Kee Park where one of the caches held a certain Alaskan Wolf GeoCoin,or so we thought.We couldn't wait to see it because it would be our first coin.We get to the park and it's pouring rain and I mean POURING!! We trekked through some of the worst terrain you've ever seen,mud up to our ankles,soaked to the bone,rainin' so bad we couldn't even see !Then the lightning started,pretty brutal stuff ! We decide we're gonna cut our outing short and grab the cache with the coin before heading home because we would at least go home with something that made the whole thing worthwhile.We get to it,we're diggin' through the Ammo box and there's nothin' but a piece of paper with a photo of the coin!! We were so disappointed and we just stood there staring at eachother like "What is this ? " ! Upon return home we wrote to the owners about our trek and what we hiked through just to see their coin and how disappointed we were etc... etc...and we also left a log about our experience and yes,anger,on the coin's page.Well, the owners deleted our log and reported us to the site for not liking their paper coin !!! Since then we just have a real bad taste in our mouths about the whole practice. It's just plain wrong,insulting and almost kind of rude ! We've seen some really cool coins since then as we just reached 300 finds yesterday and we think there's something special about each one and the way they feel in your hand don't you agree ? We LOVE retrieving GeoCoins because other than the beauty of the journey and each individual cache hunt experience,they're the real treasure ! That's just our opinion. What's yours ? Thank you,TSAWSF

Keep getting this error message: Server Error in '/' Application...Runtime Error while trying to use the "Send to GPS" tab on any cache page for the last 6 hrs. We have Vista and XP~IE 7.0 Thank You

When using the "Send to GPS" tab on any cache page we get this: "Server Error in '/' Application...Runtime Error". Groundspeak tells me their working on fixing the problem.

hi, while using the site last night to plan our route we noticed that the google maps were different,the cache symbols on the map showed what kind of cache each one was,the cache legend on the right allowed us to check the specific type of cache(s) we were looking for and the list of caches in area came up in a blue box in the middle of the map instead of listed on the right.It seemed like things moved along A LOT faster ! The map "filled in" A LOT faster as we dragged it from place to place ! It was awesome ! Will that "setup" be back or are things going back to the old way ? thanks