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  1. The Amazing thing is that as soon as Buddaman moved to Indiana, within six months he was reading and writing better than a fifth grader, and now is an extremely erudite young fellow. But when we went to Chicago for the Garmin event a few weeks ago, GEOCACHING IN ILLINOISE, he suddenly and mysteriously temporarily lost his ability to read street signs... wierd! Is "wierd" the same as "weird" which is the CORRECT SPELLING of the word ?? Coming from a guy who's making fun of other people for everything under the sun I think that's pretty funny. Ever hear of "Spell Check ?"
  2. "Indiana's Illiteracy Rate is DOUBLE that of Illinois" Illinois has approximately 8,000,000 people that are 25 years and older which is the population that the U.S Census Bureau gets it's illiteracy ratings from. Indiana has approximately 4,000,000 people in the same age range. Now,Illinois' illiteracy rating of that group is 6%.Indianas illiteracy rating of their group,which is HALF the size,is also 6%.So,Indiana has an illiteracy rate that's double ours and what that means is us folks from Illinois are twice as smart ! I'm not being cocky here, these are THE FACTS JACK !! So,from now on when what's his name says stupid things about how we can't read etc... toss this little bit o trivia at him.Eventually he'll have to move onto a new insult and when he does,I'll be back with some more facts because intelligence and facts are the only way to get people like this shut their pie holes !! PS: We also have DOUBLE,maybe TRIPLE the money ! Thanks
  3. I'm not bragging about it, but this website says Illinois is the 34th-most literate state, a far cry from the least literate state you claim it is. http://www.morainevalley.edu/Literacy/facts.htm I'm sorry, but there is NO FREAKING WAY almost half of the population of Illinois can't read. I love how you just claim that your info came from the 2000 census. You don't provide a link or anything to prove it. Next time, try posting facts instead of just random numbers you pulled out of nowhere. Maybe the reason more Hoosiers have posted to the Illinois thread is because you're all jealous of our state. At least we actually maintain our roads. You'd be hard-pressed to find a pothole on an Interstate in Illinois. Can't say the same for Indiana! they're all jealous because Illinois has all the money. You folks here in IL need to stand up to these guys a little better. They can insult us but we can't insult them ? I'm done with the forums,they're all one sided but before I go,here's a little trivia for all of you in reference to illiteracy....Illiteracy rates state by state are typically taken from the population of each state that's 25 years old and up. The last illiteracy ratings done shows Illinois has roughly 8,000,000 people in that age range with an illiteracy rate of about 6%. Indiana has approximately 4,000,000 people in that age range with the same illiteracy rate of approx. 6%. So,Indiana's illiteracy rate is double what Illinois's illiteracy rate is. They have the same illiteracy rate in a smaller group of people so what that means is folks here in Illinois are TWICE AS SMART as the Hosers in Indiana ! And that's a fact Jack !!
  4. Bear with me here ok? You say 'it seems to have some text associated with it too." What does that mean exactly? You asked me earlier about shutter speed and you assume my shutter speed was slow? Correct me if I'm wrong but if your shutter speed is slow doesn't that mean a long exposure and doesn't a long exposure cause semi transparent images ? The camera becomes slow to take in the whole subject and it's depth/dimension thus producing ghostly,ethereal images ? My 'image' is clear,clearer than anything else in the photo. It doesn't belong and if my shutter speed was fast then 'it' was fast right ? The faster the shutter speed the shorter the exposure time right? 'Memory error?' What does that mean? 'Double exposure?' Isn't that an image on top of an image? I took maybe 40 photos during the time I took this one and this was the only one with the light. Face it.The 'thing',whatever it is,whizzed by just in time for me to capture it. I'll wait for a logical explanation.Until then,it's unexplained. thanks
  5. I mean AWESOME !! C'mon look at it ! It's a bright coil of light zipping past an old cement headstone. There's ZERO explanation for it !! Go Look. Be sure to put the space after the W. Maybe somone could clue me in on leaving a link here ?? Do you just type in the address in your reply box ? Also why isn't my Avatar showing ? tu TeamSeek.... Is it a digital photo or film? If film, it looks like a scratch on the negative. The online pic is not good enough for close analysis. What is the original size? Do you have shutter speed information? (it is obviously very slow judging from the blur) What kind of camera was it taken with? Leaving a link? Not sure exactly what you mean, but assuming you mean put a link in a post, there is an icon just above the text box that looks like a little globe with a paperclip under it. You click that, type in (or better yet, paste) the URL information click OK and in the next box type what you want the link caption to say. Then click OK. If you roll over the icons it tells you what they do. If you just added an avatar, you must enter the forums by using the link on the left of the "my account" page... this will update your info on the forums. It's digital,not film so sans the scratch on the negative thing.The online pic is great and I did ZERO editing.Analysis? Zoom in on it and take a close look. Notice how everything else in the photo is slightly blurred but not the streak of light ? I was moving very slowly when I took the photo and everything that's blurred,trees,headstones etc... are set objects that don't move right? So why is the light thing the only thing in my photo that isn't blurred ? Is it because it was moving too ? My objective in moving and snapping was to capture anything that was moving. I've done my share of ghost/spirit/paranormal etc... research too and there is no logical explanation for the light. It's in front of an old cement headstone,nothing metallic,shiny right? If it was summer I might say Lightning Bug or something similar but it was winter,no bugs,nothing flying around.If the light was higher I might say reflection from a stop sign in the background or something similar but it's low,in front of the headstone with nothing else behind it. I took the photo with a camera that isn't anything special, a Kodak EasyShare Z700. I've taken hundreds if not a thousand photos between my caching pics and my pics for my online store so I know a little bit about taking pictures and more times than not I have to edit. Funny thing is, I didn't have to do any editing to this photo before I posted it. What you see is what it is/was in it's original form. I chose to walk through the cemetery taking photos with my flash off because to me the flash can sometimes make photo subjects appear flat,without dimension. I had just enough natural light left to pull off the no flash thing.You can clearly see that it was almost dark.I've put my photo out here for some answers.I think it's an awesome shot of something unexplainable and you don't have to be an expert to see that it's incredibly interesting and unless that cement headstone has something metallic and/or really shiny attached to it there is no logical explanation for it being there.
  6. I mean AWESOME !! C'mon look at it ! It's a bright coil of light zipping past an old cement headstone. There's ZERO explanation for it !! Go Look. Be sure to put the space after the W. Maybe somone could clue me in on leaving a link here ?? Do you just type in the address in your reply box ? Also why isn't my Avatar showing ? tu TeamSeek.... Is it a digital photo or film? If film, it looks like a scratch on the negative. The online pic is not good enough for close analysis. What is the original size? Do you have shutter speed information? (it is obviously very slow judging from the blur) What kind of camera was it taken with? Leaving a link? Not sure exactly what you mean, but assuming you mean put a link in a post, there is an icon just above the text box that looks like a little globe with a paperclip under it. You click that, type in (or better yet, paste) the URL information click OK and in the next box type what you want the link caption to say. Then click OK. If you roll over the icons it tells you what they do. If you just added an avatar, you must enter the forums by using the link on the left of the "my account" page... this will update your info on the forums. It's digital,not film so sans the scratch on the negative thing.The online pic is great and I did ZERO editing.Analysis? Zoom in on it and take a close look. Notice how everything else in the photo is slightly blurred but not the streak of light ? I was moving very slowly when I took the photo and everything that's blurred,trees,headstones etc... are set objects that don't move right? So why is the light thing the only thing in my photo that isn't blurred ? Is it because it was moving too ? My objective in moving and snapping was to capture anything that was moving. I've done my share of ghost/spirit/paranormal etc... research too and there is no logical explanation for the light. It's in front of an old cement headstone,nothing metallic,shiny right? If it was summer I might say Lightning Bug or something similar but it was winter,no bugs,nothing flying around.If the light was higher I might say reflection from a stop sign in the background or something similar but it's low,in front of the headstone with nothing else behind it. I took the photo with a camera that isn't anything special, a Kodak EasyShare Z700. I've taken hundreds if not a thousand photos between my caching pics and my pics for my online store so I know a little bit about taking pictures and more times than not I have to edit. Funny thing is, I didn't have to do any editing to this photo before I posted it. What you see is what it is/was in it's original form. I chose to walk through the cemetery taking photos with my flash off because to me the flash can sometimes make photo subjects appear flat,without dimension. I had just enough natural light left to pull off the no flash thing.You can clearly see that it was almost dark.I've put my photo out here for some answers.I think it's an awesome shot of something unexplainable and you don't have to be an expert to see that it's incredibly interesting and unless that cement headstone has something metallic and/or really shiny attached to it there is no logical explanation for it being there.
  7. Seriously? There isn't? I thought it was called, The Holy Bible? I knew this comment was coming.You said "WWJD",instead of spelling it out and now you're gonna actually type the words "The Holy Bible ?" Again,I'm rendered speechless with this comment and this/these individuals. What's wrong ? Afraid to type out his name ? This is off topic and I'm done.
  8. Nightcaching instead of posting in the forums. Obviously. Any one of these would do? (prolly goin' straight to heck for that one.) My comment to this comment is as follows....You found me interesting enough to go and check out my profile page. I on the other hand have not found you interesting enough to do the same. Regardless of what you think of my profile page,bottom line is you went there didn't you. I have yet to be intrigued enough to visit someone's profile page in order to get a clearer picture of who they are but you did right? PS: I'll tell you what Jesus would do.If he couldn't find a cache he certainly wouldn't cheat.
  9. <sigh> For the zillionth time, none of this is cheating. Find me rules on this site that say it's cheating. I'm on topic here -- I am answering you again. It's not cheating. That's the question in the topic title. Also, that glass house must have a lot of broken windows. You again talk about people getting personal, but you do it in the majority of posts in here. On topic: It's not cheating. It's not cheating. It's not cheating. It's not cheating. It's not cheating. It's not cheating. It's not cheating. It's not cheating. It's not cheating. (please multiply by a zillion) Oh my gosh!! Do I really have to say this again ? No, I don't but for some reason I'm going to. So here we go AGAIN.....Does it have to be written down for you in the rules or lack thereof ?? Does the gc site actually have to lay it out for you what cheating is ?? Do you go through life waiting for people to hand you a rule book on what's right and wrong or do you just know because you're an adult human being ??? Is there a rule book that says "Don't cheat on your wife/husband, it's wrong." No there isn't but you know it's wrong right? What you're saying is,sorry,no offense meant,but it's stupid. When you say "how can there be cheating if there aren't any rules" is ridiculous. If you won a big pot while you were playing poker because you sneaked a peek at the guy's cards sitting next to you is that ok too ?? When you go into a poker room to play poker is there a sign on the door that says "No cheating.No sneaking a peek at the guy's cards sitting next to you ???" No there isn't but you know it's cheating right ??
  10. I'm glad I keep all this wisdom on my clipboard for emergencies... I don't have a problem with people calling me 'names' but all I ask is that you make sure it fits. Failure ? I don't think so. I may be a lot of things but a 'failure' isn't one of em'. You live in a dream world,no offense meant. Do you take anything seriously or is everything just all rosey and la-la-la all the time ? If either of us should swallow the "failure pill",it's you not me. You log credit for a cache handed to you through your car window by the owner and you think that's good ? Do we live on the same planet ? Love it. Love it. Love it. Keep them zingers comin'. That suspension of disbelief refrain you like to end your posts with is killin' me. Don't stop that whatever you do. Gosh I love this sport. You know what I really love about this sport? That one day I'll be able to find a snoogans trademark signature coin in a cache! I heard that he will give them to you at events and if you meet him along the way too! I have a question.Why is it that in every forum I visit where there a people with really nothing of substance to say they use bouncing cartoon smiley faces to get attention? Is it just me or does anyone else find this annoying? It's kind of like the little kid who keeps interrupting his mom when she's having a conversation with another adult. Somebody save me PLEASE !! Am I back in kindergarten or what ? Smiley faces should've gone out in the 70's !! Gimme bouncing anything else but not smiley faces.wow.
  11. It is ok if you want to cache as a "sport". Why do you feel that your way is the only way. If you want to compete that much, then get together with other cachers that want to play the same as you. Then only compare your finds to their finds. You can all play on a even level. No "cheating" no clues, no teams and no socializing. To claim that anything else is cheating is beyond reason. They are allowed to cache with others that cache as a game instead of a sport. I find it amazing that you can put others down for caching in a group, but have plenty of reasons why your team is acceptable. It never ceases to amaze me how many people feel the way they cache is the only valid way. Don' t ask for hints, don't read hints, don't discover, don't hide micros, don't hide easy, don't hide hard, don't hide boring, give me a break. No one else is required to play the game only in ways that contribute to your ego being stroked. How anyone else hunts a cache is none of your business unless it's your cache. Go out and hide and seek caches, have fun and try to remember that none of this is "really" important. I'm not putting anyone down. AGAIN ,for the zillionth time,go out and hunt with an army if you want to but don't cheat and call the cache owner for help,don't go out to GZ with your army AND the guy who hid the cache and don't log 1,000 people as the FTF cuz guess what ? First means first.You can't have 10 people saying they were first.It's stupid and makes ZERO sense. Have you ever heard of a group winning a marathon ? No. One guy is first,he wins the race and he hits the ribbon at the finish!!! That's it.It's simple. What is so hard to understand here? And again,your response is your opinion about me personally and basically nothing about your opinion on the topic. Wow.I don't know how much more I can take.
  12. I'm glad I keep all this wisdom on my clipboard for emergencies... I don't have a problem with people calling me 'names' but all I ask is that you make sure it fits. Failure ? I don't think so. I may be a lot of things but a 'failure' isn't one of em'. You live in a dream world,no offense meant. Do you take anything seriously or is everything just all rosey and la-la-la all the time ? If either of us should swallow the "failure pill",it's you not me. You log credit for a cache handed to you through your car window by the owner and you think that's good ? Do we live on the same planet ?
  13. Interesting. Your "rules to post" say no personal attacks and you did JUST THAT here (and in your other thread). You are a hypocrite who takes this GAME (yes, it's a game, not a sport) way TOO seriously. THERE ARE NO WRITTEN RULES that say anything against what you are complaining about. This is a great social game. I suggest you take up a more serious competitive sport. So you don't want to meet people? Sorry, but you are way too competitive, especially about this game. You need to take a deep breath and have some fun and stop worrying about other cachers. Greetings softball.I see you looked for and found my new topic which is surprising since you were the loudest anti at my last topic. I welcome you because as I said then,I can go back and forth with you all day and we can disagree all day but at the end of the day I still consider you a fellow cacher and a friend.You must find me at least a little interesting to have followed me here right? You just made my point.You see gc as a game and I see it as a sport. That,in a nutshell, is the problem between us. You suggest I "take up a more serious,competitive sport ?" I gaurantee there are other cachers out there on planet Earth who take it so seriously they would make me look like you ! Hypocrite? I don't think so. I practice what I preach and fair play doesn't have to be written down for me in a rule book in order for me to know it's wrong.Hey,why not go into a store and shoplift and then when you get busted go like this "I didn't know I wasn't supposed to steal.There wasn't a sign on the window !" Gimme a break.
  14. You have it backwards. A cache is not just about the search and find. It is about where it is and what is happening there and who you meet along the way. You didn't "find" that cache by the way you play, but most cachers would log about how nice it was to meet the owner and hang out and talk. He probably handed you the cache figuring you had already figured out where it must be since you were no longer searching, not thinking that you really wanted him to go away. Be a purist if you must though. You found something at the coordinates your GPSr took you, you hopefully signed the log and have a fun story to tell online about it. Geocaching isn't always about the search and find. It can be about life too. (I miss Oregone's logs.) I appreciate your response too but (what else is new?),we're different kinds of cachers. I'll bet you frequent all of the social events in your area right ? GeoCaching is just one big social event for you,a place to meet people and make new friends ? For us it's a sport not a tea party and I think that's the problem with me getting bashed in these forums. The majority of cachers see caching as a big block party and we see it as a sport with rules written or not written. You're right, most cachers would've logged that cache even though it was handed to them and not because it was "nice to meet the owner blah-blah-blah" but to add another number to their score. C'mon,get real people !!! How do you log a cache that the owner LITERALLY handed to you and go away feeling good about it ?? Where am I ?? I must be dreaming. Frequent them? Dude, I throw them! You don't know me, you don't know my caching style or goals. Yet you have already judged who I am and what I must be like. I have no problem logging a cache I have been handed when I am at the cache site and have gone there for that cache. As far as I am concerned, geocaching is to bring me places and share the joy of exploring a new area. It is NOT always about the search and the find. I have walked away from more caches due to poor placement and cruddy locations than you can imagine. If I enjoy the place and find the cache, great. If I enjoy the place and know where the cache is hidden, but get it handed to me when I arrive by another searcher, great! That means I can spend more time enjoying the area. You and I do not cache alike. And I accept that. It is obvious that you have trouble accepting differences in others and their methods of playing this game. As has been said before when this subject comes up, I play geocaching 1.3, you play geocaching 1.2. Different versions for different cachers. But I am happy playing my version and accept that you would hate every minute of it. (Is that judgmental enough? ) If you are letting geocaching anger or annoy you, you may want to think about stepping back from it and reconsidering your reasons for caching before getting deeper into the obsession. One of the funnest caches we have ever logged a find on was handed into the vehicle by the cache owner when we pulled into his driveway. He had set the cache up so you could literally do a drive-by on it if you wanted too. We had a blast talking with him and going through the container before heading off to dinner. And it was the 3rd cache of the day where we met the owner and talked for a while. -J Again,as with all the other responders,I appreciate your response but I have to be honest here,it's a very rare occassion that I am rendered speechless,in fact, I can't remember the last time,but this is one of those times. Wow. I'm at a loss for words.....almost....wait,here's some....Is this response a joke or is it real ? Seriously,all kidding aside. The 'funnest' cache you ever did blah-blah story, is that true ? Are you being serious ? If it is true then there's only one of us who needs to "think about stepping back......" and it isn't me. Again...Where am I ?
  15. I LOVE this response not only because it sticks to the point and doesn't bash me personally but I also learned something new...C'mon ! There's actually a person who uses his sick days for FTF's and you actually know of people who won't log if someone logs before them ?? Wow, and you folks think I'm a nut ? For the record,if you're saying we're obsessed with FTF's allow me to let you in on a little secret...We couldn't care less about being the FTF and neither of us would ever even think of setting our alarm clocks for 5am to get a FTF.What I'm saying is, get the FTF,God Bless,but DO IT FAIR AND DON'T CHEAT cuz if you do you don't deserve that place in the log !!! Hello ? First or 500th who cares but do it fair cuz if you don't,that's when we get peeved. When we come along and do find it fair but we have to take second chair next to cheaters, that's just plain wrong ! We'll take 2,000th to find next to the guy who was 1,999th to find and everyone else before him any day and be happy as long as HE and THEY ALL FOUND IT FAIR AND SQUARE !
  16. You have it backwards. A cache is not just about the search and find. It is about where it is and what is happening there and who you meet along the way. You didn't "find" that cache by the way you play, but most cachers would log about how nice it was to meet the owner and hang out and talk. He probably handed you the cache figuring you had already figured out where it must be since you were no longer searching, not thinking that you really wanted him to go away. Be a purist if you must though. You found something at the coordinates your GPSr took you, you hopefully signed the log and have a fun story to tell online about it. Geocaching isn't always about the search and find. It can be about life too. (I miss Oregone's logs.) I appreciate your response too but (what else is new?),we're different kinds of cachers. I'll bet you frequent all of the social events in your area right ? GeoCaching is just one big social event for you,a place to meet people and make new friends ? For us it's a sport not a tea party and I think that's the problem with me getting bashed in these forums. The majority of cachers see caching as a big block party and we see it as a sport with rules written or not written. You're right, most cachers would've logged that cache even though it was handed to them and not because it was "nice to meet the owner blah-blah-blah" but to add another number to their score. C'mon,get real people !!! How do you log a cache that the owner LITERALLY handed to you and go away feeling good about it ?? Where am I ?? I must be dreaming. Bottom line: A handout is a handout period. I don't want to offend anyone here, I could go on and one with this responder and his/her fantasy land view on life in general. This is the first time I've ever seen someone find a halfway point between the search and the find and call it 'life.' Wow, that's a whole new perspective.
  17. In my caching group, I'm bigger, Curse is quicker, and Night Stalker is more treacherous. If Night Shadow comes she's meaner, and if Goldmoon comes she can spot what nobody can see but she's more likely to tell one of us to get it than get it herself. The first to spot may not be the first to touch and the first to touch may not be the first to open and the first to open may not be the first to sign. You can bet your sweet bippy that we share FTF. I appreciate your response and like the way it was written but let me ask you this...I stated earlier that in group caching everyone brings a different part of the shared brain to the table and when those parts come together they form a full brain that gets the job done. Do you and Curse and Stalker and Shadow and Goldmoon(cool names by the way),ever log solo or do you need eachother to accomplish the mission ?
  18. I appreciate your response but I completely disagree with you and here we go again. I said from the get go "Please don't respond to the topic with your opinion on me or my views etc... and that's EXACTLY what you did. I asked for your opinion on the topic and the topic only but you went off on a tangent about me personally ! Check yourself, you did. Cheating is cheating is cheating PERIOD and it does matter how you get there. C'mon, am I alone here again ? Isn't there anybody out there who agrees with me ? It's like cheating on homework or a test ! If you do what do you learn ? When finals come along and you don't have anybody sitting next to you that you can copy off of, what then ? You fail that's what ? You cheated and you didn't learn a thing all the way to the finals !! So what ? I'm full of examples and here's a good one that pertains to EXACTLY what I've said above. One of these "group" guys goes out by himself to hunt a particular multi. He dnf's on it 3 times right ? The 4th time out he takes the other "group guys" with him who also have dnf'd on it several times. Only then as a group do they FINALLY make the find. This is after a total of maybe 16-18 dnf's between em'. So this guy ( who is by the way, the dnf king of the entire area), logs his log and he actually says this "We found it.Great group effort blah-blah-blah and then he says "but I still don't get how we got to the final,I'm still confused." Do you know why he's confused ? Because he didn't do any part of it on his own and what's fun about getting to the end if you have no clue how you got there ? Yeah he got to the final and he finally logged it as a find but so what ? If you asked him about the journey or how he got there he would say " I dunno." So he added another multi to his score,so what ? If he was sitting around with a bunch of cachers who actually found it the right way and they asked him anything about it he would be clueless and sitting there looking stupid ! Yeah !! I got the end of a tough multi but I have no clue how I got there. Ya,that's real fun ! This multi has 30 dnf's and almost the same number of finds and it's actually really easy if you can follow directions and use your head. Could this guy ever converse about this cache ? No,cuz he never really found it, he just went along.
  19. I appreciate your reply too and I learned today (being new to the forum scene),that I don't have to respond to every reply but I think everyone's response to my topic is interesting and I think everyone deserves a response from me since I opened the topic for discussion. I'm glad you said "Is it cheating when you bring your caching partner?" because this became another issue in the forum. We signed up as a team of 2.That's totally different than 5,6,7,10 totally different people from all over the area coming together. We're a team,that's a group. We have other cachers in the area that are a dad and his 2 sons, husband and wife duos etc... their geo names reflect what they are and that's different.I don't "bring" my caching partner,we're a team and we were a team from the get go. I guess it all comes down to the glory of the tough find and how you feel about that "glory" when you call the owner for clues and help. To me/us it's not glory then it's just another number. There's nothing cooler than finding a really hard one that no one else has found and feeling like "wow, we found that,that's pretty cool !" Here's another thought I posed first time around with this issue and I think it's a great idea. If you like to group hunt with your friends or other cachers you meet on the trails then do so but the guy who lays his hands on the cache first is the only guy that gets to log the FTF. Him and only him.Don't you think real friends would say that's ok and let that guy have the FTF honors ? You CANNOT have 10 people log as FTF !! It's ridiculous and if it was me hunting in that group ( would never happen,this is just hypothetical), I would give my friend the high-five for finding the cache and I wouldn't log that cache as a find at all. Cachers are always talking about the journey and the experience which I TOTALLY agree is most important,but then they steal the other guy's/their friend's joy of logging the FTF alone because they want the numbers !!! So, you were with the group and you were there !! If you didn't find the cache,you didn't find the cache,the other guy did so let him have it !! Just because you were wandering around ground zero doesn't mean you should log a FTF !! Get real ! I know my logs are long but I need to get it out and get my point across so I'm gonna give you a PRIMO example of what I'm talking about and how we play this game ok ? I'll make it as short as possible... We come off a full day of caching in a preserve,20 finds and we're beat. We decide to grab the famous "one last cache" on the way home.This cache is in this little residential area near the preserve.We get out at GZ and we're lookin' around for maybe 5 minutes when all of a sudden this car comes to a screeching halt and this guy comes running up to us. We're freakin' out cuz we think he's gonna yell at us for poking through the flower beds or something right ? He comes up and he says "What cache are you lookin' for ? " Well there's only one cache there so he knows darn well what cache we're lookin' for and turns out he's the cache owner. We chat a minute and we tell him we've been there all but 5 minutes blah-blah-blah and next thing you know the guy bends down,goes under the lamp post skirt and TOSSES US THE CACHE !!!! We're like "What the heck did you do that for ???" Long story short,we NEVER logged that cache and we NEVER will you know why ? Cuz we didn't find it fair and square and because we don't need numbers like those ! This cache owner actually wrote to us about a week later wanting to know why we didn't log it and we were thinking "Are you kidding ? Is this guy joking ?" We told him we didn't log it cuz we didn't find it !! Hello !! Same thing as asking for clues/hints from cache owners and going out to GZ with cache owners or phoning a friend who found a cache and asking them for clues/help. That's just us.Maybe we're weird I don't know but there cannot possibly be any joy in finding a difficult cache after you ask for clues and/or help. thanks
  20. I like your reply and I appreciate it however, I disagree.It does matter how you/he/she/they got there. Let me pose a "got there" scenario to you in a different way ok ?.... You're a millionaire.You brag to all your friends that you're a millionaire but you're only a millionaire because you stole another guy's million dollars. Should you be proud that you're a millionaire because you stole another guy's million bucks ? After all, you said it doesn't matter how you got there as long as you got there right ? Now a different scenario. You're a millionaire.You brag to your friends that you're a millionaire. This time you're a millionaire because you busted your butt everyday for years,workin' like a dog and you finally make your first million ! I ask you, would you feel better being a millionaire cuz you stole and cheated or would you feel better being a millionaire knowing you worked for it and earned it yourself ?
  21. thanks for your reply.We did exactly that ! we put a comment in about how we found it without clues/help and we didn't take the owner with us !! we had to keep it nice like it was ribbing cuz if we didn't we might be blackballed from caching the whole area. As for your comment that "nothing prevented you from calling other cachers to help....." if you read my log you would understand that we didn't need any help and if we would've spent 12 hours out there we would've kept on looking and there would've NEVER come a point where we would resort to calling the owner ! C'mon,get real ! What's the fun in finding a 4-5 dif if you call for help ? We didn't choose to not call for help,we didn't need it,never have. We would go out to GZ for however long it took to find it on our own.Call it pride call it whatever but if you go out one time and you can't find it have some faith in yourself and go back again and again if you need to.Go home and think about things at least.Don't throw in the towel and call for help, c'mon ! What happens with cachers who can only find caches in groups is they loose the ability to think for themselves and before you know it they start to share a brain. We see it over and over here where these cachers that have been around since geocaching was invented NEVER log a solo find. They log dnf after dnf and then it's only when they go out as a group they find. That's what I mean by 'sharing a brain'.Each one brings something else to the table,a little piece of the brain,one is no good without the others and once they're all together they have a complete brain and only then do they accomplish the mission at hand. thanks
  22. We leave brand new in the box pocket knives all the time as trade items and we have parents around our area that post pictures of their kids being all excited cuz they found a new pocket knife in a cache. Pocket knives go with the sport don't they.Pocket knives are sometimes a required tool in caching right ? We leave camping related trade items all the time because we think caching and camping go together and most folks that do one do the other, and to us pocket knives are a given and a very cool trade item. We also agree about emptying a cache of 5 items or whatever and not replacing those items. That's how a lot of caches end up with nothin' but a dirty golf ball. We ALWAYS trade fair and if we can't or we're empty of swag at the end of the day we don't take anything. That's just part of the unspoken,unwritten honor system of geocaching. thanks
  23. Ok, here it goes. I'm here to ask your opinion on the topic.Please don't respond with your opinion on me,my opinion,my state of mind,how I choose to get my point across etc... PLEASE respond to the topic and the topic only.No personal attacks allowed.No ganging up on anybody especially me(us. I'm the writer/logger for our 2 man team). I started this discussion in a local forum and it was BRUTAL let me tell you.We have a local caching site here that's primarily run by 25 or so cachers from the area,board members included and if you're the 26th person to go in there and you don't agree with something they did you better come fully dressed in a suit of armor cuz you are gonna get your butt kicked from here to Sunday !! I'm not kidding, it was a bad scene so PLEASE don't let that happen here.As I've learned in my short forum time today,we all have our opinions and we all have a right to speak. As long as there's no cussing,name calling,or insulting ones race,color,religion etc... we should all be able to speak our minds and we should all be fine right ? So,tighten your forum seatbelts cuz here we go and hopefully the Lord will have mercy on all of us !! We think there should be some new abbreviations for FTF and they are FTFFS and FTFBC. FTFFS means you were the first to find fair and square. FTFBC means you were the first to find by cheating. Now,here's my story and this story has repeated itself dozens of times for us since we started caching last July. Before I start I'm going to toot our own horn just a bit and say that we are a team of 2 who are exceptional at finding 4 and 5 star difficulty micros,nanos and the new super micro that's even smaller than a nano.We've had only one dnf since we started and that was during our first week of caching.Other than that one,we've found every cache we've hunted. We achieved 300 finds on Sunday and we've found the hardest micros around our area.Micros that the veterans with 2,3,4 and even 7,000 finds are still looking for ! We started caching with micros not ammo boxes and they are our favorite kind of hides.We LIVE for 4-5 star difficulty nanos,LIVE FOR EM'. We just did a multi the other day that has 30 dnf's and 36 finds.All the big wigs(some have 3-4,000 finds under their belts), have dnf'd on it 2,3,4 times.Some only completed it after going back on several different occasions in different years !! They only found it after resorting to what my topic is about. It took us 40 minutes to complete. You can see this multi for yourself at "No Shovel Needed" in Illinois. Here's my story...A certain evil micro hide was published a few weeks back.Now,we have super busy lives outside of caching so we don't sit around waiting for new caches to pop up and then run out to GZ to be the FTF. So we have the general area in our notify preferences and we get the FTF email log for said cache .I read it mainly because the guy it's dedicated to is someone who has put out TONS of caches that we've enjoyed hunting.Anyway,the FTF log goes on to say that the first guy out there spent 4.5 hours at GZ with no luck. He then goes to our local caching site the next day trying to round up a posse to go out there with him. He rounds up I think 5 or 6 other local cachers and they plan the rendevous. THEN he calls the cache owner and asks him for a clue or a hint !!!!! (this is all in his log), THEN to top it all off the owner of the cache goes out to GZ with this guy and his posse !!! They're all out there the next day. The guy who started the whole thing is on his lunch break. He shakes everyone's hand,they all meet and he goes right for the cache ! The rest of em' gather around to admire the find. THEN they all log the FTF together !! Each one of em' logs that they were the first to find ! So,another week goes by and nobody's finding this thing so we gotta get out there and check it out,it must be good. We have a group of FTF obsessed cachers in the area who actually admit to setting their alarm clocks for 5am and who have several different methods of receiving new cache notifies so when we don't see the names of all the usual suspects popping up on this cache we know it's a good one and we also know that all the usual suspects have been out there !! We go out.The 2 of us as always and it just so happens we only have 1 gps cuz my team mate left his at his house !! We're lookin' around for about 10 minutes,the gps is literally frozen solid on 15' and won't move.We notice that there's this huge weird tower right there.So I hand off the gps to my mate cuz maybe he'll have better luck. I swear,as soon as I did the compass swung around and took us in a totally different direction. Wow ! We start looking around,he's about 15' from me and says "Hey,check that thing right there", so I do and BAM !! there it is. Thing is it's in a place that most cachers aren't going to check. I'd love to tell you the details but you never know who's watching !! Let's put it this way, I should NEVER,EVER,EVER have found it ! You look up "Evil Nano Hide" in the dictionary and there's a picture of this thing !! Anyway, I freak and I jump on him and almost knock him down! To make my VERY LONG story short I ask you, who should get the FTF honors on this evil micro ? Us or the group that CHEATED and asked for clues and went out to GZ with the owner ??? Thus,the new FTF abbreviations. FTF ? Ok. How'd you find it ? Did you find it fair and square or did you cheat ? Know what they said in the forum ? Get a load of this nonsens.... "How could there be cheating if there aren't any rules ??? " All hell broke loose from there and the rest is history !!! OUR OPINION...If you wanna hunt in groups and cheat then stick to the huge ammo cans in the trees or under wood piles and leave the 4-5 star dif nanos to us die hard challenge seekers who don't cheat. There must be 200 hidden ammo cans to every evil micro right ? If you go out in huge numbers then hunt the caches that are in huge numbers. There needs to be a rule on cheating on the hard ones and what the heck is the point of hiding an evil 4-5 dif nano if you're just gonna tell people where it is and then go out to GZ with em' ??? IT MAKES NO SENSE !! Thanks
  24. I'M BAAAAACK !!! I thought I posted my last thought on this topic that I started but something funny happened on the way back from the forum !! Remember my original post about our outing at Saw-Wee-Kee way back last July when we were newbies and we trekked through all that rugged,hilly,muddy,nasty terrain in a torrential downpour of rain that was so heavy we couldn't even see much less read our gps's ?? Remember I told you how we had to cut our outing way short because after awhile the ear busting lightning started and we thought we were gonna end up like a couple of burnt steaks ?? Remember I told you that we decided to grab one more cache,the one with the Alaskan wolf geocoin cuz we never saw a geocoin before and we thought it would be so cool cuz at least we could drive the 45 miles back home with something to show for it but when we got to the cache and didn't see any coin only a picture of the coin laminated in plastic we stood there in the pouring rain soaked to the bone and covered in mud just staring at eachother going "What the heck is this supposed to be ? " Well, the folks that own the DREADED laminated paper Alaska geocoin ( If I did tell you their name I gaurantee all of you would laugh your heads off) are now moving it around themselves !! I have the paper coin on my traveler watchlist and for the last few days and just today when I left here for what I thought was the last time,they moved it again ! On their coin page there are several peeved off cachers who expressed themselves about the paper coin and what's funny is it seems I was the first to leave my negative log on their cache page (which they deleted),and right after that others started saying the exact same things I did. What I don't get is why were'nt their logs deleted too ? Is it me ? Am I that rude ? And what's REALLY FUNNY is this thing somehow made it's way to Norway and some Norwegian cacher left a ranting log on the coin page asking the same thing "What the heck is this supposed to be and where's the real coin??" So you see, the opinion on the paper geocoin fiasco is universal ! Well from Illinois to Norway anyway Oh well, I think it's pretty funny that they move it around themselves and they're doing all kinds of funky things with it that I don't even get. I came all the way back here to tell you about it. Thanks !
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