SeattleWayne

I never said it's right. I'm saying that you can't stop people from doing what they do. There are plenty of seasoned geocachers that fail to follow simple guidelines as well. Contact Groundspeak if you think it's doing damage to the game. It's not that I don't think it's a big issue, it's just that Geocaching has been around for almost 20 years, and I'm sure there were concerned cachers like yourself when the iPhones came out, and when Twitter came out and Facebook, and all these social media outlets that gave major exposure to the hobby. It pulled in an influx of people who saw a Youtube video or a Twitter tweet that maybe was depicting the game in the wrong light...but the game has survived. I'm sure whatever happens with these guys and there geocaching fort, in the end, everything will be alright. If someone wants to build a geocaching fort, and hide a geocache in it, more power to them. It's a lot better than a rock wall cache.

People are going to do what they do. They still have to go through the publishing process if they use Geocaching.com to place their cache. Hopefully, seasoned cachers will come across their cache and call out any of the things they're doing wrong. Assuming just because they have followers of a young age won't be following any of the rules is a little extreme, in my opinion.

According to this website, ( http://www.zinnware.com/HighAdv/Geocaching/most_caches_found.php) has the most finds with 147,128. He really has 173,233. So he's the true winner.

Without LPC skirts where would the geocaching game be today?

Good work.

They've been promoting certain types of caches, and opening them up to non-premium members as well as opening up all terrain levels. Getting a "crew" together is promoting caching with your friends. It's another summer promotion put on by Groundspeak. If you don't like it, you don't have to participate.

I didn't know about Geocaching when I did my tour. I wish I had known. There are some cool caches in Iraq.

If I have a pre-planned route I'm taking to find caches, I recommend looking at activity logs on them to ensure they've recently been found. Of course, caches can always come up missing at a moments notice but at least you have an idea that they're there and find-able. Sorry you had to go through that. I think the vast majority of us have been there but I'm happy to see someone posting some NM and DNFs to get the CO out to check on their caches.

If you weren't playing by yourself it would be a competition.

Why would someone secretly try to snag more caches then you this weekend without mentioning their intentions?

Just a FYI: making your caches premium member only doesn't really stop this kind of behavior.

I don't think Groundspeak is to blame for bogus Found It! logs. The COs are supposed to audit their logs, and delete any bogus Found it! logs. This is a case of CO's not maintaining their caches. Some of these Virtual Caches literally have no logging requirements other than "If you want to post a picture of you and your GPS at GZ..." (some of them don't even have that) other than that it's basically on the cachers to exhibit their integrity and actually visit the location. So it opens the doors for cheating, and you really can't put that on Groundspeak's shoulders because how is anyone able to prove that the cacher really didn't visit the location? Obviously "armchair" logging isn't part of the game and if you want Groundspeak to get involved then try to get them involved. But just because you think someone is logging fake finds, and you have no proof, what do you expect Groundspeak to do about it? Instead, COs get frustrated with having to maintain a cache and just archive it. That works too, I guess.

Yes, it's a fun game. I recommend getting a small crew together to find them. It's a lot more fun with friends.

You know, I can totally see where you're coming from in this aspect so I apologize for coming off insensitive. I, too am trying to log finds on as many Virtual Caches as I can before they all start going away. So far I've found nine in Washington State, and I still have a handful left to go before I move on to Oregon, etc. Regarding ethics, and Virtual Caches, here's a question for you: If you come across a Virtual Cache and see that the VCO has not logged in for a few years, and hasn't actively found a cache in several years as well, but on the cache page the VCO requires you to send an email with answers to be able to log the VC, would you call out the VCO inactivity in a NM log or would you just log your find, send email and move on? Because we all know what happens when we start a NM...eventually the cache gets archived.

You're joking, right?

Except there are 3 million caches world wide. so if you miss out on some its not the end of the world. Why would a CO get mad and archive his/her cache over bogus finds? It's the CO's job to audit their Found It! log and delete the logs that are fake.

So, what's the exact number of finds one should have before they hide one? Less than ten but more than one? So like, five?

People wanna rip on LPC but you know what? When those suckers are at the front by the doors? That cache ain't no joke, and I bet the lot of you just log a Found It! without even bothering to lift the skirt up.

You think it's recommended that it's okay for cachers to be able to hide a cache before their first ten but not a recommended idea for someone to hide a cache before they even find one?

Large flower pot outside somewhere with an arrangement of fake flowers/plants. The cache is under the flower arrangement inside the pot. Put it right near the entrance. Best I could come up with.

Yeah, really. The nation is at war and you're worried about geocaching? I guess if it doesn't affect you...

Stealing, lying and cheating is nothing new. This isn't a "generation" problem. This is a "human being" problem. Humans have always acted in this manner it's just there is more ways to capture the incident and the overgrowth of the human population has led to more of it. People are always going to try to "cheat the system" and not have any moral high ground when it comes to it. The best approach is to not worry about them so much, and enjoy the game in front of you. If shady things happen on your watch of course, call it out but in the long run, there's no real need to stress about it let along make a thread on Geocaching.com about it.

"You logged a ‘Webcam photo taken”. This log type did not count for the Friend League until August 3, 2017. If you logged a Webcam cache before that date, please delete and relog it to earn coins on the Friend League."

Laziness.

What's the difference between that and "TFTC!"?