Rick345

Got it thank you

This is what I see, where is the lightning bolt?

When I was active before 2007 you could generate a pocket query using the map. You could zoom in or out and then generate a pocket query for just the area covered on the map, is that still possible? How do I do it?

Why could this be happening? How can I correct this problem?

As others have said the trick is to know what cache you have found. A few years ago a friend of mine had a cache published and I ran out and "found" it. I dropped him a e-mail saying it was a great hide and a neat container, wanting to know where he had found the container I described what I liked about. A couple of hours later he replied, "I don't know what you found but that's not my cache." The next day we both went out to the cache site and I showed him what I had found and where I had signed the log... He said you warm but to cigar look again and about five feet away was a 4X4 lock and lock.. I opened it up and signed the log. After a little research we discovered what I had found the first time was an achieved cache that the CO must have put in a new log before moving out of the area and archiving his caches.

The problem seems to be intermittent on my end. I'll click on Google Earth zoom in and it doesn't work, click out, reload GE it doesn't work, close it, open it again and it works. I can find no rhyme of reason for it working sometimes and not others. My personal theory is that sometimes the google earth server or our provider's get over loaded and the data feed crashs... All I know is just keep trying it and it will eventually work.

I agree that virtuals should be of scenic, historical or cultural interest. However, I don't think they need to be limited to only those with marked by a plaque or other marker showing the significance of the site. However, I do agree the sites should be limited to significant places. Instead of a marker as proof I would just have the submitter write a brief explanation as to way this place is worthy of being a virual. . I can think of a few sights near by that don't have any type of markers yet are quite significant. The last slave ship to land on American shores a little east of where I live. There is no marker of any type at the site yet the site is pinpointed in historical texts. The foot of Conti Street, Mobile, AL. In 1865 One of the persons brought over on that ship Cudjo Lewis (African name, Kazoola) founded the town of Magazine Point, just north of Mobile, calling their community Africatown, it stand stands today. Cudjo was the mayor and acting judge of Africatown, a year or two after the end of the Civil War the KKK marched down the streets of Africatown many of the residents pleased with Cudjo to arrest and hang the hooded thugs. Cudjo responded, "The law says they are allowed to peacefully assemble, as long as they remain peaceful they are welcome. The Kan just left.. Cudjo also from what I read outlived all other ex-salves in America he died in 1935 at the age of 94... There are no monuments or markers to this man or the salve ship Clotilde, and I think his story should be told. Or another unmarked place comes to mind, the place where Fire Ants were first documented to be in America. 555 Clairborne St, Mobile, AL... The Fire Ants were first discovered and documented by E O Wilson when he was just a boy about 12 years old if I remember correctly. He used his Mom's Kodak and wrote a paper entitled "Ants From Hell", and submitted it National Geographic magazine. E O Wilson is now a world renowned scientist and fire ants are all over the south east of America. Both of these could be done with offset caches but a virtual would allow me to bring people to these places without the worry of a physical cache in a very crowded down town area. Waymarking.com would do the same thing I suppose but as others have pointed out it is under used. I have submitted a couple of Time Capsules to Waymarking.com back in 2010 but so far no one has marked them as visited the time capsule.

Yeah, at some point, you have to decide what the point of the geoart is. Do you want to draw a picture with 40 icons? Do you want people to get 40 smileys? Do you want to hide and maintain 40 containers? The short answer is not necessary, yes, and no... and there in lies the problem...

Sure it would. Admittedly, a simple square isn't very impressive geoart, but it demonstrates the concept. That's interesting and something I hadn't thought of but it wouldn't give the finder a smilie and at the end of the day that is what counts for many people. However, I think you maybe on to something, I wonder if it would fly? That is to say I wonder if people would like the idea? When you first suggested waymark as points on a map I didn't quite catch what you were getting at, but your illustration makes it clear. Thanks...

Sure it would. Admittedly, a simple square isn't very impressive geoart, but it demonstrates the concept. That's interesting and something I hadn't thought of but it wouldn't give the finder a smilie and at the end of the day that is what counts for many people. However, I think you maybe on to something, I wonder if it would fly? That is to say I wonder if people would like the idea? When you first suggested waymarks as points on a map I didn't quite catch what you were getting at, but your illustration makes it clear. Thanks... I've used waymarks to marking suggested parking places and trail heads but never thought of using them to design art... It would certainly solve the saturation problem..

You can do what you want to do however, it can't be posted on goecaching.com as an event. It'll be your own personal event. Things you need to do: Pick a date, notify the students and facility and parents you want to attend: make posters, telephone calls, school announcements etc... Make a list and map of interesting local caches. Or better yet make up some caches and put them out no need to post them on geocaching.com, just list coords and make a map. For what you're doing making your own is better, you don't have to wait for approval, they can be closer then .1 mile (161m) they can be within 500ft (150m) of your school etc... Have several GPS's available for others to use. If you are making up your own caches just for the event make several types, traditional, multi, mystery... If possible have a few experienced cachers help you, that solves the problem of extra phones and gps's and gives the first timers a person to ask questions to and help guide them in the use of their phones and GPS's. ... Split the people into groups, if you have made up four caches make four groups, send the first after one cache, the second after another and so on. The maps and lists contain all caches however, each group's list if numbered differently, 1,2,3,4 on one list, fine in this order 2,4,1,3 on another list, 4,3,2,1 on another and so on.... That will hopefully keep the groups separated enough to keep them from seeing were others have found one of your hidden caches. We do this at events to award doorprizes... Doing it this way teaches them the art of caching without the hassle of signing up for accounts... All you need to show them is how to do is how enter coords in their phones, or your helpers can have the caches already loaded into their gps's or phones. All you need are a group of people (students) a place to hide caches (school property) Once you leave school property you could run into liability issues. Caches and logs, make them up yourself Phones or gps's... and a list of coords and cache descriptions, and maybe maps. After you're done or before you begin explain there is a place called geocaching.com that lists over 2 million caches if you want to continue playing this little game of hide and seek. If there is a place close by that has a cache marking a place of interesting cultural, historical or just plain fun by all means take to that and have them find it. One of the best things about geocaching is that it will take you to places of fun or impotence in your very own back yard you never knew about.

I think its time to put this one to bed, I did find out what I wanted to know. However, there is a problem and the problem is how do we lessen the impact on the environment, on resources and and reduce saturation while allowing the most freedom of expression and creativity? Just because there's room for forty geocaches doesn't mean one should place forty. At present it is a problem without a solution, but it is a problem worthy of a solution. As it has already been pointed out if you allow one physical cache to represent several smilies someone is sure to abuse that just to boost their already inflated numbers. To be honest someone using my purposed suggestion just to boost their numbers never entered my mind, as one can see from my stats boosting my numbers isn't how I play the play I'm been caching since 2007 and have less than 1000 finds. Plus people who want to boost their numbers will find other ways to do so. For example right after I archive a cache I have several persons trying to log it, saying I found it months ago but forgot to log it. When I archive a cache I go out and collect the container and logs. 95% of the time the "late" logger has never signed the log and in my my book if you don't sign you don't get to claim it as a find. When I find a cache and can't sign the log I don't claim the find. Inflating one's numbers wasn't on my worry list, what I was worried about was saturation. Placing forty caches just to make a picture or a trail wastes a lot of real-estate, which lessens the chance for someone else to place a very creative cache... I was looking for a solution to that problem. Anyhow thanks everyone for your help, even though the answer should have been obvious in my defense I haven't placed a cache in maybe two years so I'm out practice...

It would be allowed under the saturation guidelines the caches are a mile apart and their are few other caches in the area... Being 528ft from anyone else wouldn't be a problem, the closest caches are about 3,000 ft away. There are 7 caches in that area, of about 130 square miles. However I do get your point about once I place the same final in more than one page it wouldn't be allowed. As I stated before no other section seems to address this very basic question, I knew I could get an answer here.. And I did. Thank you. I still think my idea is still a good idea for easing the saturation problem.

I didn't know were to put my question... There is a section for Geocache types but, traditional, mystery, and multi aren't included in that section... I figered it would get an answer more quickly here than anywhere else. Saturation is exactly what I was trying to avoid... Geoart is fun and creative but, it does take up far more real-estate than it should, I was trying to figure out a way to lessen that problem.. Your right the three or four offsets pointing to the same coords would rejected by the software. I should have thought of that. So much for creative solutions...

I was thinking about set out a little geoart, and using offset or mystery caches to make the design. Is it permissible to have three or so mystery caches direct the cacher to the same spot? For example lets say I have a mystery cache A at 30° 51.006'N 88° 7.403'W, B at 30° 51.353'N 88° 7.348'W, and C at 30° 51.352'N 88° 7.485'W. Once any one of these 3 puzzles is solved the answer is the same of each 30° 51.976'N 88° 7.811'W which is where the actually physical caches is hidden. In other words A, B, C gives the same answer... At the physical cache it would say the finder is permitted to claim A, B, C as a find by finding this single physical cache. The reason I'd like to do it this way is one the entire piece of geoart would take 40 caches if a cache were placed for each ? Mark on the map. This causes problems for everyone. The seekers have to use a lot more gas and time. The caches themselves would stake out a lot more area given the 528 feet rule, limiting other caches from being hidden by people other than myself, and it would cause me a lot more maintenance issues. Allowing people to claim three ? Marks per physical find would allow me to place only 14 physical caches to gives other the enjoyment of completing a piece of geoart. Presently there is no geoart in my area.

You cant. You can on the website. As a Premium Member run a Pocket Query and sort on the results page. Then can I load the sorted array into the GPS and it will retained the property of being sorted? If not that SUCKS... If so it only half sucks...

Once I've loaded my Etrex 20 with geocaches, how do I sort them from the newest date created to the oldest?

Out of interest, did you look outside of the US/Canada? No not yet, in fact the list only includes the lower 48, hopefully today I can do Alaska, Hawaii, Northern Mexico, Puerto Rico, and the remainder of Canada...

Here is a subset of my list, its the only twelve caches on my list that have never been found. The Ultimate FTF's The Ice Spot You've got to be REALLY strong to Live Strong Tyson Creek right Cracked below Osprey Island (Scuba Cache) The Lunch Box Vista Del AguaAt the summit Green River Road / Darien Gap 1 Little Island Cove Cache dead end logging road Carbon Repeater Dehcho Cache #2 - Tthenaago (Nahanni Butte) Pelempito's Edge

What do you define as a "long time"? B. A cache that hasn't been logged since 01/01/10 What makes that a magic date? As I mentioned in the first line of this discussion the reason I made the list was I was inspired by a story of a trio of local cachers that found an ammo can cache in Florida that was last found in 2008.. The date is arbitrary it just somewhat matched what I read in the story. What I discovered by making the list was interesting, there are a couple of caches hid in 2003 that have never been found. There are about 50 caches in California that haven't been found since 01/01/10 or before, yet Idaho has the record for lonely caches the state seems to be littered with them, I haven't tallied the actual count for Idaho but just looking at Google Earth I would guess its 75-80... Idaho is a mountainous, rugged, sparsely populated, place to be sure, so that's a large part of the answer, but Wyoming fits that bill as well but only has a dozen so so long lost caches. It was very surprising at least to me that a state as large as Texas only has one. I was also surprised my State Alabama doesn't have a cache "lost" since 2009. I was also surprised that several cache owners whose caches are on my list came forward and have assured readers that their long lost caches were there, just hard to get to. To better describe what the list will hopefully help you find. Its a list of caches of regular or larger size, that are traditional type, that were last found in 2009 or before. I chose the size and type to give the users of my list a fighting chance of finding a listed cache. If you find an ammo can sized cache lost for over six years you became a bit of a celebrity. Also larger caches have a better chance of surviving the elements than a nano or film canister. I have flagged the list so if any of the caches it contains are found I'll receive a notice. What I like someone to explain to me why is Idaho king of the lonely caches? Colorado and Wyoming are just as rugged, not to mention Montana. Why does Texas only have one? Why doesn't New Mexico have at least one? I go to New Mexico for vacation occasionally and parts of the state are very remote. I remember traveling from Roswell, NM to Vaughn, NM on HYW 285 and never seeing a house, a barn, a shed a building of any type. Its a road trip of about 100 miles. Southern NM is inhospitable desert, northern NM is rugged mountains, yet it doesn't have any caches within my perimeters that have been "lost" since 2009. I find that interesting.

What do you define as a "long time"? B. A cache that hasn't been logged since 01/01/10 What makes that a magic date?

My guess is you're right the last person that truly logged it was probably in 2009 however, it didn't make my list because it was logged perhaps mistakingly so in 2013...

No I was not aware of that filter however, it sounds like it does exactly the opposit of what I want to do... And it search protocol doesn't fit with the kind of caches I'm looking for...

What do you define as a "long time"? B. A cache that hasn't been logged since 01/01/10

Here's a list caches I've cobbled together that haven't been found since 12/31/09 or before. What inspired me to put together this list was a story about a trio that rediscovered a cache in Florida that hadn't been found in almost eight years. There's no guarantee these caches still exist, but if you want to look for something elusive I've put'm in one spot. I've included two links one to my list and if you scroll to the bottom of the list there's button that when generate a PQ of the list... The second link takes you to my page were you can download a KML file so you can view the caches on Google Earth. A few are in Florida, most are in California and Idaho, the plains states are barren of lonely caches. However, many states have at least one and there 're several on the west and east coasts of Canada. Lonely Caches are what I call ones that have not been visited in a long time. Link to my Lonely Caches list At the bottom of the list page you will find a way to generate a Pocket Query or LOC file of the list Link to site were a KML file can be downloaded so the list can be viewed on Google Earth