n0wae

I like to spoil my FTF cachers. I leave a home made FTF ceramic collectible along with other goodies like gift cards, or a pair of $15 movie tickets or a $20 bill in a plastic bag marked "FTF prize". I don't do it every time so I do keep the cachers guessing on what they might find. On one of my caches a cacher took the $20 and left a $10... The next cacher took that $10 and left a $5! That was kinda cool.

Yes, I too have forgotten my pen on occasion. This is how I solved my problem one time:

Big numbers don't seem to mean much under these circumstances. Same cacher different cache. Sigh.

You guys are having way too much fun! Honk if you know where the n0wae jeep is parked:

Why sure! and FTF too!!!

Great pictures Guys! I would have gone with you except I had my hands full: It seems GHP and GP baited me with this 4WD cache and I just had to head to them thar hills!

July 10 by Reviewer (0 found) Hello, I am a volunteer for Geocaching.com and this cache has come to my attention during the course of my usual administrative duties. I appears that this cache was originally listed as a traditional cache but has recently been converted to a virtual cache. Since November, 2005, virtual caches are no longer accepted on the Geocaching.com website. You can list this cache, however, on the Waymarking.com website. The Geocaching.com guidelines require that all traditional caches need to have at a minimum a container and a logbook - (visit link) Please feel free to respond to this issue by sending me an e-mail at ***@.com. Please don’t forget to include the GCxxxx code for the cache. I will be happy to re-enable this listing once the issues with it have been addressed provided that it meets the listing guidelines at that time. Thank you for your understanding and for your contributions to the sport! Reviewer Volunteer Cache Reviewer July 4 by I Want My Smillie 5 (1914 found) We spent a little time looking without the description before we called for help. Answer sent. TFTC! July 4 by I Want My Smillie 4 (2056 found) Neat old bridge with a great history. Email sent July 4 by I Want My Smillie 3 (3699 found) interesting history of the bridge. email sent. TFTC DNF July 2 by Honest Cacher (2499 found) Thanks for bringing us to this interesting area! We enjoyed the history but didn't find your cache. Since your cache has been reviewed and published as a traditional cache we will be logging it as a DNF. Thanks for the cache. June 24 by I Want My Smilie 2 (661 found) Nice little park. E mailed owner ans. after looking for cache and then seeing it is MIA. Thanks for the history. June 23 by Cache Owner (86 found) Went to check on status of the cache. I Want My Smilie 1 was correct. The cache is indeed missing. I'll replace the cache soon but until then treat this as a ghost cache - see instructions above. But on a brighter note, this gave me a chance to plant another cache. June 19 by I Want My Smilie 1 (5788 found) What we found and what was the previous reality were very different. The cache owner says log it, so I will

Late July or early August sounds good, bring a tent and we can stay a night up on the Old Flowers road. But I don't get too many weekends off so weekdays would be the way I could do it. I might be able to swing something on one of my off Fridays. I'm just a lowly machinist and I get Fridays off too. (I have machined rocket fins before though.) Building up seniority with any company helps too in the vacation department. I'm lucky to enjoy 5 weeks of paid vacation per year. Now if I could only talk them into emergency time off when there is a nearby FTF to bag! **Woops quoted the wrong message but you guys know what I mean**

Funny you! I'm a grandfather (7 grand-kids) and Britta is about 10 years old. The only thing on every one's minds was Geocaching. Little Britta was so excited about caching that she talked her mom into caching with me. Her mom wasn't quite as interested in caching but got talked into teaming up with me for the next cache only .1 mile away. All three of us had a grand time and parted company after finding the second cache. Britta's mom thanked me for taking the time to show them how to use a GPS and how to find a cache. We all parted with smiles!

They found me hunting this cache.

So far I have 124 recorded DNFs that I keep track of in GSAK and in a public bookmark on my profile page out of 2256 finds. I'm sure my actual DNF count is higher because I'm better at logging them now then when I first started caching. (You learn a lot from reading the forums!)

Swetsville Zoo

In northern Colorado if you want to do some hikes check out the caches placed by Tahosa and Sons. I've done several and plan on doing some more this year. I remember this cache as being one of my longest hikes.

I've picked up some neat FTF crafted items that were cool. I like to spoil my FTFers on my caches... I often leave a pair of Regal Entertainment Group movie tickets with a custom made FTF token. I've also been known to put $20 bills in the cache as a FTF gift. I don't do it every time so that cachers get in the habit but it's still fun to surprise a FTFer once in a while.

A lot of movies were made in the Moab area. Make sure you visit the museum in Moab. It has a lot of history about movie stars that worked in the Moab area to make the movies you enjoyed. It surprised us when we visited the museum years ago.

Sounds good to us! We're off caching tomorrow Lord willing. Spring can come early as far as we are concerned!

After reading this thread and going over my own recorded finds I came up with two recorded double finds on a single cache. It appears that cache owners can throw us curve balls on this subject. On Cache #1 it appears that instead of archiving his cache and creating a new one the cache owner re-cycled his cache page by changing the cache name to BTP II with a new cache in a new location with the same GC#. The cache somehow showed up on my radar screen and I remember being quite surprised and confused when I discovered that my name was already in the logbook. Cache #2 has a cache owner creating a 3 stage multi in town with a logbook at stage 3 and an optional cache at step 4 with a logbook. The optional cache is a killer hike in the mountains far removed from the first logbook. I wish the cache owner had given the optional cache its own GC# but he didn't. Most cachers that do this cache only do the first part because " If you find Home Plate you are really a dedicated Cacher and deserve the Grand Slam". I think a lot of problems would be solved if we could only log one find per GC# and caches like the two above were never approved. That being said are these examples valid 'exceptions' or should I change my second found it to a note?

I think most of us here would agree that one shouldn't log a find on their own cache. The reasoning is that you really didn't find the cache because you already knew where the cache was. Helping out a friend by replacing his cache with permission is admirable but if it was me I would log a note instead of a find because I didn't really find the cache. I've been offered a 'go ahead and log a find' on several caches that I've logged DNFs on. These particular caches were indeed missing and the cache owner 'gave me permission' to log a find. Each time I e-mailed the cache owner back and politely declined. I told them that I would rather wait until the cache was re-placed and would then return to find and sign the logbook before claiming a find to the world. Perhaps I have a few less smilies caching this way but I prefer to cache honestly so that I have only good memories to think back on. It's amazing how easily cachers can justify "earning" their simile. Its really a very simple black and white fact. You either found it (and signed the log) or you didn't. The note log is for logging in the 'grey' area.

It's a find. The only exception might be if it's a 5 star 'challenge cache' where you are expected to climb a pinnacle or rappel down a cliff etc. I personally wouldn't claim a find on a 'Mt Everest' cache that I found in the parking lot.

Another tool is bookmarks... If you ever make it to Colorado this bookmark might prove usefull.

Honesty is always the best policy. Cachers that claim false finds are only hurting their own 'Geo rep'. Seems like my parents once told me that if a person will cheat on a small thing then they probably will cheat on on big things too. Don't loose any sleep over it... all you have control over is your own 'Geo rep' and the good feeling you get for doing the right and honest thing.

Agreed. I too would prefer that the cache owner make separate caches in a series instead of multiple finds on a single cache with an optional smilie. The same goes for when a cache owner decides to move his cache. I prefer that the cache in question is archived and a new cache is listed in a different location. It's most confusing to go after a newly listed cache and find your name already in the paper logbook. If the cache has moved a mile instead of 50 feet isn't it a new cache? All this confusion could be easily avoided if the cache owners in question would do things differently.

I have done this cache (GCF32F) and have logged the two smilies due to the separate and optional part of the multi. (It's the only time I've logged a cache twice) Most would consider this 'Grand Slam option' as a second cache if they did it. Even the cache page warns about earning the extra smiley: "If you find Home Plate you are really a dedicated Cacher and deserve the Grand Slam." Believe me when I say a numbers ho would be crazy to earn Tahosa's extra smiley because it's an all day killer hike in the mountains!

Some people have no shame.

That's offset somewhat by the fact that in order to get pq's to load into GSAK, you have to be a paying customer in the first place. Maybe THAT'S where Groundspeak is missing an opportunity. Another level of membership that would allow that kind of access for another $20 or $25 per year. Third party apps could then pass identifying info to Groundspeak to verify the person making the request is an authorized upper-tier member. I'd gladly pay the extra money myself just to have the PQs update the archive status of a cache in GSAK. (Yes I know about the workarounds)