RiseNShiners

Forgot to mention that if anyone is interested, I can email you a PDF of the dial labels that I created to fit the plans.

I found the plans at the link that "Fonty Family" posted. Here it is again in case you missed it. Cryptex plans Save yourself a bunch of time and use these plans. I searched all over the net and found none better... Not even close. Those plans will generate an 8 dial cryptex and that was more than I wanted so I simply re-scaled the measurements for my 5 dials. The letters were printed in strips with a high end color copier (could probably be done at Kinko's or the like) on Teslin peel & stick. Teslin is a synthetic that is water proof and very durable. I just happened to have some but it may be hard to find. Regular paper peel & stick would work but you'd have to make sure it stayed dry. After applying them, I did over coat them with clear spray for good measure but you could use some other over coating if you wanted.

Iv'e seen a few of these posted here and decided to make one of my own. Thought I'd post my results. Just placed the cache today. 25MM Cannon shell ammo box with padlock. The key is inside the cryptex. The cryptex is inside a Rubbermaid water bottle that has a "holster" on the side of the ammo box. The "riddle" to be answered is laminated and attached and must be solved at GZ.

Kind of impossible for a cache not to have a FTF, which is what you are proposing. You are either first to find or you are not, it is not an "award". If being credited with FTF were not some kind of "award" why would people trespass in order to log one? And as someone else suggested, give the credit to the first person to find the cache "legally".

There would be no need for them to go to GZ again (unless they were going to leave an apology note - not likely), it's obvious that they found the cache, but they shouldn't get the credit for FTF. If they want to log the cache as a "regular" find, I would consider letting them based on correspondence and interaction with them.

My opinion... "Delete that sucker!" If the information was on the cache listing and the cacher did not follow said information, they do not deserve the find. I believe this would also be covered by the "not within the stated requirements." portion of posting guidelines. Now with that said, I agree that the CO may face retaliation from the person that had their log deleted. But the fact is we need to make a stand or our sport will go away. There is a cache in our area that is placed on property clearly marked with "NO TRESPASSING" signs. From what I've learned, the signs were not there when the cache was placed, and the CO hadn't requested or received permission to place it there. When we rolled up on GZ and saw the signs, we passed on the hunt. I added a note to the cache listing stating that it was "posted" and gave my opinion. The troubling part is that people are still logging it and happily explaining how they just ignored the signs. We depend on a whole lot of other people and places to be able to hide caches and hunt them. Taking no action against people who can't follow the rules (or CO requests) means that we encourage those people and it will only get worse. Eventually property owners and then parks, cities, and maybe even whole states will outlaw Geocaching altogether. I don't think that is an outcome that any of us want. Keep in mind the the big "Switch" flips both directions, off and on.

We just put one out in May (GC28E1N) but we didn't use the cipher on the cache listing. Instead we made ours a 3 part multi. The first stage contains cards printed with the coords for the final in "Pigpen" and coords for a second stage where the key can be found. Seems to have worked out pretty well, so far.